F30 F32 M3 Targets 450ps. More Performance Variants Possible, F32 M3 CSL

[bobbyd1961]

im keeping my m3 sedan for a long long time what a screaming engine.

[cotmfk]

It's personal preference. For me, TT FTW. I love how you can easily gain a lot of power out of a factory turbo car with minimal mods. I also love the sound of turbos spooling.

I understand why people don't like turbo lag, but with the stock N54 there wasn't much.

[graider]

here i hope that the weight is significant less than the out going model, like 3300lbs. then the csl at 3000lbs. then it's golden.

[GewoW]

Originally Posted by richpuer

still no answer to what CSL is......

lightweight more track oriented in every way

[BMWPower06]

Originally Posted by dardeca

What is CSL?

lol good joke

[zenderm3]

Hmmm... I'm keen to see the new M3, in style, look and feel. I do hope it is considerably more powerful than the current - and the reality is that the M3 has still consistently beaten the C63 and RS5 even though it is the older of the cars.

So what will the new M3 do? Looking forward to seeing the outcome... in the meantime... I'll enjoy one of the most understated, yet beautiful cars on the road today

[ES_TRADER]

even tho 2014 will debut the new model and everything, i personally wouldnt touch it till it gets into its 3rd or 4th year of production cuz id like to see them work out any flaws and mechanical issues discovered in the first couple years...plus, id hate to pay the 10k dealer markup. i really wanted the 08 when it first came out but im happy i waited till now to get the 2011....just my thinking...

[TheRealOrosie]

Coupe Sport Lightweight

Originally Posted by richpuer

still no answer to what CSL is......

[Ant Man]

I very much hope BMW makes weight reduction it's no 1 priority with the next M3 rather than a bigger, heavier car and thus necessary more powerful engine etc, etc.

It would be helpful if the weight of adding options was included in the brochure too.

I would also like BMW to take a leaf out of Lotus' book and improve the steering feel and focus on the car having great handling that communicates to the driver. The driver must feel part of the car and not feel like he's playing a PS2.

If the engine is to be turbocharged it better not have any lag and have instant and spontaneous throttle response like the current car.

It should also have active exhausts so that the real sound of the engine comes out when giving it some beans but be quiet at idle for noise regulations.

[ChrisK]

It has already been posted that the next 1 series will have a longer wheelbase, etc. aka a bigger car.

What do you think will happen to the 3 series? It won't be smaller.

[donovan]

Once you expose something like a CSL the value of it goes down as the more you make or the more people can get to them and buy them! IF they sell the CSL to USA, which is a long shot, they probably wont make them any more excited than the GTS is now or normal e92.

[e90m3_6MT]

Originally Posted by bobbyd1961

im keeping my m3 sedan for a long long time what a screaming engine.

I doubt the turbo m3 will have as beautiful a voice as it has now. just listen to the autocar.uk driving review of the 1M

[TakeOne]

two things.
Why is everyone doubting weight reduction on the next gen m3? Just going from a V8 to a straight 6 is weight reduction. Not even mentioning other steps they'll probably take. Plus Scott is usually pretty spot on. So i don't get this "more weight to come" theory?
Second, do you really think they're going to use a N54/N55 variant? Yeah, like they're going to get 440ish hp out of a 3.0. Expect at least a 3.3/3.4/or 3.5 straight 6 FI engine.
The N54/N55 was/is great, but expect it to run in the lower series cars 1, 1m, 135, 335, or whatever the future versions of those may be. 140i, 340i?
M3 will be lighter, M3 will have a different engine than the N55, geez.

[ChrisK]

Originally Posted by TakeOne

two things.
Why is everyone doubting weight reduction on the next gen m3? Just going from a V8 to a straight 6 is weight reduction. Not even mentioning other steps they'll probably take. Plus Scott is usually pretty spot on. So i don't get this "more weight to come" theory?
Second, do you really think they're going to use a N54/N55 variant? Yeah, like they're going to get 440ish hp out of a 3.0. Expect at least a 3.3/3.4/or 3.5 straight 6 FI engine.
The N54/N55 was/is great, but expect it to run in the lower series cars 1, 1m, 135, 335, or whatever the future versions of those may be. 140i, 340i?
M3 will be lighter, M3 will have a different engine than the N55, geez.

Sorry sir, the e92 M3 V8 weighs less than the Straight six it replaced. Also Scott said the F32 M3 would have a N55 variant.


"High engine speed, low weight - Mass (which, ultimately, means weight) is bad for acceleration - it makes any physical body seeking to accelerate slower and more sluggish. Precisely this is why BMW's new V8, weighing a mere 202 kg or 445 lb, is a genuine lightweight, saving some 15 kg or 33 lb versus the six-cylinder power unit in the previous model. In other words, the new engine easily sets off the weight of two extra cylinders. And a further point is that the high-speed engine concept allows a light drivetrain and very short transmission ratios."


Read more: http://www.worldcarfans.com/10703224...#ixzz14E6NqO6z

[TakeOne]

Originally Posted by ChrisK

Sorry sir, the e92 M3 V8 weighs less than the Straight six it replaced. Also Scott said the F32 M3 would have a N55 variant.


"High engine speed, low weight - Mass (which, ultimately, means weight) is bad for acceleration - it makes any physical body seeking to accelerate slower and more sluggish. Precisely this is why BMW's new V8, weighing a mere 202 kg or 445 lb, is a genuine lightweight, saving some 15 kg or 33 lb versus the six-cylinder power unit in the previous model. In other words, the new engine easily sets off the weight of two extra cylinders. And a further point is that the high-speed engine concept allows a light drivetrain and very short transmission ratios."


Read more: http://www.worldcarfans.com/10703224...#ixzz14E6NqO6z

I'm not talking about the straight 6 it replaced, im talking about the current V8 to the NEWER straight six that will come out. The proof is right there.
Like you said, they made a V8 LIGHTER than the previous straight 6, you don't think between 08-2014 they'll figure out how to make the newer six even lighter than the current v8?
As for the "N55" variant. It's just mind games for other manufactures.
A 3.0 single turbo is not going to make 440ish hp/ 400ish tq. sorry.
The only way it's going to resemble the N55 is that it will have a similar turbo design. Everything else will "vary".

[Nautik]

Originally Posted by M3_WC

You didn't read what I wrote. Reports are major anti-tuning measures are coming from BMW. While Benz will use a Bosch ECU, that will purposely be easy to tune. Benz is taking measures to make tuning of their turbo engines easy, while BMW will make it more and more difficult. This will only frustrate enthusiasts and hurt forums like bimmerpost.

Then add the fact the next gen C AMG will have a TTV8, putting it in a different league power wise.

BMW is just wasting their time trying to harden their ECU. ANYTHING can be cracked/hacked.

I just hope they keep the ECU completely independent of all the ipod stuff.

[Nautik]

Originally Posted by TakeOne

A 3.0 single turbo is not going to make 440ish hp/ 400ish tq. sorry.

My Evo VIII was a 2.0 liter 4 cylinder and it was making close to that amount of power... But I don't think BMW is going to want to run 24+ lbs of boost lol

I agree though that BMW is much more likely to use a larger engine.

[Frosty]

....I have a feeing that BMW will integrate their carbon fiber body tech used for megacity and isetta into the M division....

Think about it.... take a standard edition BMW and give it carbon fiber panels?

This can be the new direction of M, they have firmly established a flow of carbon fiber from their new factory... looking interesting to me

[vase330]

Originally Posted by mdyaman

really?

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If the next generation M3 goes turbo, i guess i'll be looking at other car makes. After the N54 turbo issues, recalls, lawsuite...no thank you. I think BMW should stick w/ N/A engines, but i know they are under pressure to conform to environmental standards, compete with better fuel consumption, etc.

I guess i'll be getting a 2011/12 e9X M3 and have the last N/A engine along with my e60 M6 V10

Hmmmm, something tells me you haven't driven a tuned N54 and that M3 you want so much in a back to back comparison. Have you? And N54 with a tune is free revving too, but I will give you it doesn't make the music an M3 makes, even as it stomps all over the M3. L-a-a-a-a-g... NOT true. As a former owner of an E46 M3 I can tell you objectively these cars aren't as bad as you think they are. The new Turbos are sweet. I went from E46 M3 to E46 330ci due to issues with my M3 and its stupid SMG which I made a huge mistake to fall for. I was seduced by technology, but reality was far from the hype. I once had a Turbo Eclipse that had tons of lag and TQ steer, so was expecting more of the same. Went drove a demo 335, I was SOLD! I grinned so hard, and told the salesman, I like to drive a bargain and pretend I am not so sure, but my grin gives me away. I want once Pronto. Bye bye E46 330ci.

[ihyln]

Originally Posted by vase330

Hmmmm, something tells me you haven't driven a tuned N54 and that M3 you want so much in a back to back comparison. Have you? And N54 with a tune is free revving too, but I will give you it doesn't make the music an M3 makes, even as it stomps all over the M3. L-a-a-a-a-g... NOT true. As a former owner of an E46 M3 I can tell you objectively these cars aren't as bad as you think they are. The new Turbos are sweet. I went from E46 M3 to E46 330ci due to issues with my M3 and its stupid SMG which I made a huge mistake to fall for. I was seduced by technology, but reality was far from the hype. I once had a Turbo Eclipse that had tons of lag and TQ steer, so was expecting more of the same. Went drove a demo 335, I was SOLD! I grinned so hard, and told the salesman, I like to drive a bargain and pretend I am not so sure, but my grin gives me away. I want once Pronto. Bye bye E46 330ci.

whatever you are smoking please share.

[Marioalex24]

I wouldn't mined getting a M3 with a v6 as long as it's light weight and not bigger than the current e92. Because damn it pretty big compared to the e46 m3. I have both in my garage and theirs a difference all the way around regarding hight and size. Therefore I'm hoping it's not bigger then e92. Unless they add cf to bring the weight down, but that might bring the cost up.

But that still won't stop me from getting one unless it's really off what an M should be.

[BenTrovato]

The next M3 will be an interesting release. I'm sure it will perform well and it will have a striking design. However, given that the CTS-V has re-written the rule book in this segment, the M3 has got to be packing something special. I love the the current M3 and probably the next one but if the price increases, I can't see myself buying one when the caddy is just so tempting.