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      10-19-2019, 11:04 PM   #23
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FIA has cleared Ferrari completely as the leaking is sporadical rather than controlled which is allowed under the rules.
FIA didnít clear Ferrari, as there was never a formal complaint. Those are done on race weekends. A simple clarification of the rules was asked for by a group of teams, so they can pursue the same advantage.
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      10-20-2019, 04:42 AM   #24
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FIA didnít clear Ferrari, as there was never a formal complaint. Those are done on race weekends. A simple clarification of the rules was asked for by a group of teams, so they can pursue the same advantage.
I agree with you that there has never been a formal complaint just speculation and hearsay.
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      10-20-2019, 04:49 AM   #25
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Itís been done before...

https://youtu.be/ixfsyoGKlmE
Now after Monza it's 0.9 litres of oil per 100km oil burn restriction no more and that's why Merc is getting uncomfortable.This is one of the main reasons together with a controlled second driver that Lewis has been sweeping the boards for so long.
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      10-20-2019, 10:12 AM   #26
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If there is one team in F1 that will cheat or ‘accidentally infringe on the rules’, it will be Ferrari. And if anyone here believes that this is an uncontrolled injection of oil into the combustion process, they are a fool.
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      10-20-2019, 10:36 AM   #27
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If there is one team in F1 that will cheat or Ďaccidentally infringe on the rulesí, it will be Ferrari. And if anyone here believes that this is an uncontrolled injection of oil into the combustion process, they are a fool.
Then ask your team,Merc is it? to protest in the half hour after the provisional results are put up, then we'll see who the fool is.
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      10-20-2019, 11:35 AM   #28
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....your selective memory loss regarding HAM's pace and passion to catch VER when HAM was 19 seconds off of P1 and only had 20 laps to catch VER....is this your interpretation of "a controlled second driver" and your interpretation that HAM is winning simply because of the MB package?? It wasn't just VER's tire degredation that allowed HAM to overcome such a massive deficit....perhaps it's HAM's driving acumen and 5X F1 WDC status as well:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/formula-...results-lewis/
You left out Ham's much fresher tyres.
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      10-20-2019, 12:26 PM   #29
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From your playbook....letís keep the subject on-topic.
From the race you were referring to lol..'much fresher tyres on Hams'. i.e.why he caught him with 20 to go. Do keep up.
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If any F1 team aren't burning somewhere near the limit of the amount of oil they're allowed to burn under regulations, they're missing a trick. And to be competitive in F1, you can't miss many tricks.
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If any F1 team aren't burning somewhere near the limit of the amount of oil they're allowed to burn under regulations, they're missing a trick. And to be competitive in F1, you can't miss any tricks.
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      10-20-2019, 06:01 PM   #32
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Oh Lieutenant Colonel....please understand fresher tires does not equal the passion and acumen to negotiate all the back markers over 20 laps and then overtake P1....do keep up.
Once the RB's tyres were going off it was straightforward gaining more than a second a lap for Lewis.Another easy win for Lewis before the holidays and easy overtakes on the straight with the then best car and DRS. Carry on soldier.
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....your selective memory loss regarding HAM's pace and passion to catch VER when HAM was 19 seconds off of P1 and only had 20 laps to catch VER....is this your interpretation of "a controlled second driver" and your interpretation that HAM is winning simply because of the MB package?? It wasn't just VER's tire degredation that allowed HAM to overcome such a massive deficit....perhaps it's HAM's driving acumen and 5X F1 WDC status as well:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/formula-...results-lewis/
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Once the RB's tyres were going off it was straightforward gaining more than a second a lap for Lewis.Another easy win for Lewis before the holidays and easy overtakes on the straight with the then best car and DRS. Carry on soldier.
Positive guys . The tires from MAX were completely shot.
Each lap MAX was losing between 1-2 sec. The moment when Lewis overtook MAX was like the RB15 was standing still...
I heard the onboard radio from MAX about his tires .Honestly it was actually heartbraking. MAX had no chance to make it ...While Lewis was approaching on fresh tires like a bullet !
The Merc strategy worked perfectly ...
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If any F1 team aren't burning somewhere near the limit of the amount of oil they're allowed to burn under regulations, they're missing a trick. And to be competitive in F1, you can't miss many tricks.
Where in Wilts are you?

I grew up in Melksham many moons ago.

Sorry if Iíve asked this before.

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F1 is boring. You can't have teams that are ridiculously expensive to the degree that most competitors have no chance while also having a ridiculous amount of rules.

Either make F1 unregulated so we can at least see some cool stuff or make it spec and affordable so we can see driver talent and good racing. As is we only see the results of some team's pocketbook.
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Where in Wilts are you?

I grew up in Melksham many moons ago.

Sorry if Iíve asked this before.

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Trowbridge...well, Staverton. So right by your neck of the woods! I grew up in NW Scotland though...
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Straightworward....

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Once the RB's tyres were going off it was straightforward gaining more than a second a lap for Lewis.Another easy win for Lewis before the holidays and easy overtakes on the straight with the then best car and DRS. Carry on soldier.
So great that you have chosen to reduce F1 down to a Playstation game.
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Nobody protested or asked for clarification on their PU while Mercedes were killing everyone for the past 6 years. As soon as someone else innovates something they have to cry about it or make one of their customer team puppets "request clarification" from the FIA. You didn't see Ferrari do that when they were getting blown away for how many years. They put their head down and went to work.
This is patently false. Off the top of my head, Ferrari had McLarenís rear brake pedal banned, and Lotusí two piece chassis banned.

FIA bends over backwards for Ferrari like no other team, Charles should have been black flagged for Suzuka.

I hope this issue gets solved so I can watch their cheating asses continue to lose
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Oh Lieutenant Colonel....please understand fresher tires does not equal the passion and acumen to negotiate all the back markers over 20 laps and then overtake P1....do keep up.
I couldn't help but to actualy LOL at this post. Give HAM old tires and see how far his passion gets him
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so i'm an f1 ameature. i don't follow it, but i enjoy watching highlights and reading about it.
someone fill me in on this rule- is a little bit of blowby allowed, but it can't be intentional?
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so i'm an f1 ameature. i don't follow it, but i enjoy watching highlights and reading about it.
someone fill me in on this rule- is a little bit of blowby allowed, but it can't be intentional?
https://drivetribe.com/p/f1-concern-...RzOSiEdYe_DP8g

This is a good explanation with some good speculation in the comments.

Since maybe 5 races ago, Ferrari has some newfound power, seemingly good for the claimed 60-90hp that burning oil gives.

Ferrari has had to play catch up to Mercedes with their split turbo design (turbine on one half of the engine and compressor on the other side with a very long spindle). Merc has been more competitive due to lower charge temps from this design.

Teams have been trying to introduce more oil into the charge for a while and there had been reports throughout the season that Ferrari has had oil burning smoke and smell, and per the comments of the article, they could be playing with spindle designs or oiling of the compressor.

If this is clarified and Merc can take advantage of this, they can stack this on top of their already better charge temps.

Itís really difficult to keep track of all of the FIA rules now. Verstappen is the only thing that keeps this sport interesting.

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so i'm an f1 ameature. i don't follow it, but i enjoy watching highlights and reading about it.
someone fill me in on this rule- is a little bit of blowby allowed, but it can't be intentional?
It can't be controlled by tech yes.
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So great that you have chosen to reduce F1 down to a Playstation game.
Don't play it myself though you'll find all F1 drivers train on something similar regularly to keep their tactics competitive.
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This is patently false. Off the top of my head, Ferrari had McLarenís rear brake pedal banned, and Lotusí two piece chassis banned.

FIA bends over backwards for Ferrari like no other team, Charles should have been black flagged for Suzuka.

I hope this issue gets solved so I can watch their cheating asses continue to lose
Essex Lotus twin chassis back in the early 80's? come on that was a blatant cheat machine at the time of ground effect as bad as the fan car of Brabham in '78.
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