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Orange Trump bad. Trump gone. 84 32.43%
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      10-20-2019, 09:33 AM   #1211
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Agreed.

However, point 2 - while an unfortunate reality - is not evidence that Biden did anything untoward while VP. Right?
Correct. I think we were talking about optics and whether any care was to be had by "ye olde world".
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Buttigieg: corruption takes root where it's accepted.

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On the second point I might remind that they don't give two shits about what Hunter job did or didn't have but for different reasons than most who are landing on the side that he did nothing wrong: This is business as usual among the elite classes in the Old World so they see nothing wrong with it.

It is disgusting in a meritocracy. And I say this fully understanding that the old boys (and now girls) network is everywhere.

Cheers-mk
Disgusting and, amazingly, legal. I posted a link about this about a week ago, let me see if I can find it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/09/o...e-problem.html

We need to fix this.
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      10-20-2019, 11:00 PM   #1214
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It's too much of a mental leap is it? 'In theory' if you wanted to buy influence from a politician how could you do it without getting your hands dirty? Hmmm I don't know you could funnel that money through their kids with board seats or multi billion dollar investments from state run banks. It's how the political class hide corruption by enriching family and friends.

Or you could just start a fake charitable foundation like the Clintons.
So, what evidence is there that Joe did something, in response to Hunter being hired?

Don't say removing Shokin. I strongly doubt the governments of the G7 countries or the International Monetary Fund leadership gave two shits about what job Hunter did or didn't have, so save it.
There's an old democrat party talking point that they're infamous for... "it's not the nature of the evidence, but the seriousness of the charge." Feel free to apply that standard for investigating political opponents here.
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There's an old democrat party talking point that they're infamous for... "it's not the nature of the evidence, but the seriousness of the charge." Feel free to apply that standard for investigating political opponents here.
Why would I apply that standard to anyone?
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There's an old democrat party talking point that they're infamous for... "it's not the nature of the evidence, but the seriousness of the charge." Feel free to apply that standard for investigating political opponents here.
Why would I apply that standard to anyone?
Their answer was "because some charges are so serious that the mere accusation itself warrants an investigation."

Hey, I didn't make this up. This has been the position of Democrats since Bush 41. If anything I can find comfort in the Left finally realizing how this line of reasoning feels when it's focused on them.
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Their answer was "because some charges are so serious that the mere accusation itself warrants an investigation."
Hey, I didn't make this up. This has been the position of Democrats since Bush 41.
I'll try it again:

Why would I apply that standard to anyone?
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Their answer was "because some charges are so serious that the mere accusation itself warrants an investigation."
Hey, I didn't make this up. This has been the position of Democrats since Bush 41.
I'll try it again:

Why would I apply that standard to anyone?
Because you can't un-ring a bell. A precedent has been set for decades now.
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Because you can't un-ring a bell. A precedent has been set for decades now.
So, you admit this "standard" is wrong and unfair, but you're OK with using it going forward?

Your mama never taught you that two wrongs don't make a right, eh? That's your choice.

I know better.
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So, you admit this "standard" is wrong and unfair, but you're OK with using it going forward?

Your mama never taught you that two wrongs don't make a right, eh? That's your choice.

I know better.
You may know better. I may know better. Politicians on both side of the isle most certainly do NOT know better.
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      10-21-2019, 08:49 AM   #1221
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You may know better. I may know better. Politicians on both side of the isle most certainly do NOT know better.
Agreed, wholeheartedly.

Glenn wasn't talking about politicians, though, he was talking about me.
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So back to those emails since nothing else is going on over here today.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rep...lations-faults

So it was determined that there were violations. Anything else going to come of this aside from peons getting dragged?

Surprised this isn't getting more debate. I guess it will go out with a whimper as our attention shifts to the next political football.
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So back to those emails since nothing else is going on over here today.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rep...lations-faults

So it was determined that there were violations. Anything else going to come of this aside from peons getting dragged?

Surprised this isn't getting more debate. I guess it will go out with a whimper as our attention shifts to the next political football.
"Hundreds" of email violations? That's child's play. Try thousands, if not millions, during the G.W. Bush presidency.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_W...il_controversy

Not saying Hillary is exonerated though (she should have known better).
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"Hundreds" of email violations? That's child's play. Try thousands, if not millions, during the G.W. Bush presidency.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_W...il_controversy

Not saying Hillary is exonerated though (she should have known better).
I thought Barr was going to lock her up or something.
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"Hundreds" of email violations? That's child's play. Try thousands, if not millions, during the G.W. Bush presidency.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_W...il_controversy

Not saying Hillary is exonerated though (she should have known better).
While still a violation, the Presidential Records Act has less concern for me than Top/Secret records unsecured.
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Envoy testifies Trump tied Ukraine aid to politically motivated investigations https://reut.rs/2W8Jwse

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The top U.S. diplomat in Ukraine testified on Tuesday he was told that President Donald Trump made the release of security aid to Ukraine contingent on Kiev publicly declaring it would carry out politically motivated investigations that he sought, according to a copy of his statement to lawmakers.


Corroborating evidence.
Let's see the Trumpsters spin this!
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Envoy testifies Trump tied Ukraine aid to politically motivated investigations https://reut.rs/2W8Jwse

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The top U.S. diplomat in Ukraine testified on Tuesday he was told that President Donald Trump made the release of security aid to Ukraine contingent on Kiev publicly declaring it would carry out politically motivated investigations that he sought, according to a copy of his statement to lawmakers.


Corroborating evidence.
Let's see the Trumpsters spin this!
Reuters? bahahahahahaha
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Reuters? bahahahahahaha
I dunno - Reuters is actually a very reputable news source.

Irrespective of that, the actual reporting is extremely biased - since everything was behind closed doors, so all we are seeing is what the democrats are allowing us to see.

If investigating Burisma was part of an overall expectation that Ukraine would investigate all corruption associated with the USA, then it's pretty hard to justify that it was directly related to the 2020 election.
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Envoy testifies Trump tied Ukraine aid to politically motivated investigations https://reut.rs/2W8Jwse

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The top U.S. diplomat in Ukraine testified on Tuesday he was told that President Donald Trump made the release of security aid to Ukraine contingent on Kiev publicly declaring it would carry out politically motivated investigations that he sought, according to a copy of his statement to lawmakers.


Corroborating evidence.
Let's see the Trumpsters spin this!
Reuters? bahahahahahaha
What do you think of the Wall Street Journal?
Taylor makes even more damning accusations against Trump here.

https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/dip...ns-11571750496

https://www.wsj.com/articles/diploma...-concerns-Bill Taylor, the acting U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, said he was blindsided by the news that the White House was holding up aid to Ukraine, according to his testimony Tuesday. He said he was told that if Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky didn't announce he was opening the dual investigations Mr. Trump would neither release the aid nor agree to a White House meeting with Mr. Zelensky."
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Let's go to the source -- the opening statement of the man who testified to Congress today. It's a public document.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...testimony.html
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Let's go to the source -- the opening statement of the man who testified to Congress today. It's a public document.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...testimony.html
The AP corroborates.....

https://apnews.com/3769e350fd334a6287474ad82042b4e5
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Reuters? bahahahahahaha
Every news source right now just owned you and your laugh.

It just got worse for Trump, Rudy, and the two Mikes.

Now there are multiple sources confirming this quid pro quo plus Mick M. saying the same damn thing on TV. Will the GOP senate finally find its backbone?
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