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E55 is way faster and the E63 is faster than the m5 too
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06-03-2009, 08:36 AM | #47 |
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Not so fast my friend. I'm supposed to be painting so I could only check the first source that came up in my search but the figures from Motor Trend are:
Mercedes E55 AMG 469bhp 0-60: 4.1secs 0-100: 10.0secs 12.3 sec @ 113.8 mph 9.6 lb/hp BMW M3 DCT (only one they had full figures for) 414bhp 0-60: 4.1secs 0-100: 9.7secs 12.6 sec @ 113.2 mph 8.9 lb/hp This hows that at the 1/4 mile the E55 has pulled away by a whopping 0.3secs and 0.6mph. Hardly way faster I think? In fact all the way to 100mph the M3 is ahead. And considering the handling advantage the M3 has I think I know which one I'd choose. Doesn't matter to me either way but I had suspicions that the E55 wasn't as fast as people were making out. |
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06-03-2009, 05:06 PM | #49 | |
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For real world times check the threads mentioned above. And look for the long threads of this last winter's runs at the track http://www.famosoraceway.com/ that was specifically rented by W211 owners..... Check the times for E55s and E63s. This isn't magazines or honking on the freeway in traffic. And compare runs by 3ers and 5ers. |
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The M3's mere 295 ft-lb of torque is multiplied by about a 1.5 times higher transmission and final drive (ratios combined) meaning the effective torque compared apples to apples is more like 440 ft lb. Basically torque to the rear wheels is what matters and this figure is approximated well by by hp. Torque from the shaft simply doesn't matter except in terms of feel and low gear/part throttle, near bogging acceleration. Power to weight is the single best metric that determines the acceleration of a car and here the AMG just barely outshines the M3, both just a bit below 9 lb/hp. Of course the calculations/theory here are right in line with the observation, generally apples to apples, the E55 is a bit faster. I'm not sure how many times this "lecture" needs to be repeated... |
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06-03-2009, 07:50 PM | #51 |
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I had raced a 2008 e 55 amg with dr's on.. We heated them up. I heated my tire's. We lined up. He jumped on me by 1/2 car by second I moved ahead and ahead and ahead. Steady on higher rpm's By the time we passed the marker's I was ahead by two 1/2 to three car's.. Now this was 2 out of three. the second time by two car's. With a lighter launch. We were both 65 degree night and we were the first two races of the night.
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06-03-2009, 08:15 PM | #52 | |
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I told you I was painting here (still am) so just picked the first source in my search so I didn't go hunting for one that suits me. To state that magazine tests are a waste of time is utter nonsense. They do more accurate testing that driving along waiting to hear the third honk. Magazines use equipment to accurately measure the performance over any given distance. They use the same test for each car so using figures for 2 different cars by the same magazine is waaaaaaaaaaaay more accurate then your suggestion. My point is that the extra bhp will be partially (if not all) negated by the extra weight and those figures prove it. If you chose not to believe them or accuse a magazine test of being nonsense because it doesn't agree with what you dream is true then there's no real hope for you. Just search around for some more tests that show you're results and then swear that they are the only accurate source for information. In the meantime I would suggest heading off to an AMG chat board where everyone will just agree with you and you can all accuse sources that show different of being wrong. My guess is in the real world from a stand still it's going to be down to who gets the better start and hits those gear changes perfectly. Of course in the Merc you don't have to worry about that. The old man gearbox will handle that for you |
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06-03-2009, 08:33 PM | #53 | |
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Despite the fact that my head hurts after reading it what you say agrees with the magazine test. It's not until the 1/4mile that the Merc starts to get the head. All the way to 100mph the M3 is ahead which is what I would have guessed. Oranges to Oranges I don't know what all these AMG drivers are doing on here instead of an AMG board. I can only assume that like our car, our board is just plain superior. |
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06-03-2009, 08:53 PM | #55 |
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Maybe you do have a sorehead.
All stock: http://www.dragtimes.com/compare2.ph...ame=Compare%21 http://www.dragtimes.com/compare2.ph...ame=Compare%21 fwiw, I'm on this board because I've owned more BMWs in the past then you can shake a stick at. (I'm way older than you, which is why I have an auto 7 speed tranny LOL) My P-cars are another story, another day.... Anyway, enjoy the car you have chosen at this point in your life, 'cause that's really what it's all about. Nothing else matters. |
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You were probably racing an E550. |
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06-03-2009, 10:31 PM | #60 | |
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Here's from Edmunds: The Mercedes E55 AMG comes with a supercharged 5.5-liter V8 rated at 469 horsepower and 516 pound-feet of torque. Mercedes claims a 0-to-60-mph time of just 4.5 seconds for the sedan You've seen the ones from Motor Trend saying the same. Evo Magazine: The IHI-supercharged 5.4-litre V8 develops 469bhp at 6100rpm (the SL55's original 'lower-end-of-production-tolerance' output before it was re-certified at 500bhp) and the same 516lb ft of torque between 2650rpm and 4500rpm Clearly you are the ones that are uninformed. You may be able to brush off one magazine but there are 3 examples quoting the exact same figures. And they are 3 from different parts of the world. The E55 had the same output for every market. The E63 has 518bhp but from all the evidence I've seen the E55 clearly has 469bhp. Stickypaws: My point exactly. I buy whatever car tickles my todger and this time round it was an M3. I know there are far faster cars out there (I was going to buy a Z06 but just couldn't sit inside one for any length of time without wanting to throw up. surely 3k extra and a decent interior is not much to ask for?) For the record that was just a joke about the gearbox but you seem to be the only one that realised that. |
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Mercedes says the E63 has 507 bhp and 465 lb ft of torque while the E55 is rated at 469bhp with 516 lb ft of torque. The engine change was really a lateral move for Mercedes. They needed a less torquey motor for their 7 speed tranny. |
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06-03-2009, 10:44 PM | #63 | |
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Better yet do a search on MBWorld and get the recent times from Fomoso back in Jan and Feb; there were two rentals/runs. Lots were stock, some not. There was somebody who's been banned from here (and just about every other forum) that ran his M3 with only bolt-ons and MT rubber at the same meet. He had some launching problems and didn't post any good times. But he had posted some times that were kinda close in the past but no cigar. Having AMGs with auto trannies worked against him. These are different cars altogether anyway. German autobahn style muscle car versus a German back road style sport sedan. But I'll run my stock E63 against a stock M3 in a 1/4 at the track. |
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Sorehead, the E63 is NA and the E55 has a blower. The E63 will pull from the line but the E55 catches up. E63 is 507 (in the USA) |
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Have you actually driven the E55 extensively?
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DO read everything that I wrote. I said that IF these cars are under rated and producing around 500 crank hp then I do find the sub 12s times plausible. However, this also begs the question as to the MotorTrend time which seem much more consistent with the cars official/quoted output.
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