E92 M3 ZCP in SCCA Solo F Street

[CSBM5]

Originally Posted by fsmtnbiker

The infotainment is better as the cars get newer. For daily purposes that's a notable improvement year-to-year. I believe the 2011.75+ cars have the best system (03/11 or later build date). The newer cars also got slightly different exterior lights.

The big change came with "2011.5" which is 09/2010 and later build date 2011 models (note the 2011 model year started with 03/2010 production). The 2011.75 update just added BMW apps to the system -- so nothing worthwhile really.

[z3papa]

For anyone remotely interested, I am likely going to be selling/trading my car 2011.75 Melbourne Red E92 ZCP M3 6sp in the next two months. It's prepped fully for FS (Dinan FSB, Megan Racing exhaust -- stock still in hand) with the appropriate FSB, new this year front EDC struts, IMO better than OEM Bilstein EDC rear units which all works as intended, two sets of legal 18" Apex wheels (18x9F/18x10), a set of dedicated snows, and a pair of additional fronts with two sets of competition tires (full set of fresh RE71R 275's, pair of 285/30-18 fronts install on front wheels, a pair of Yokohama A052 295/30-18 rears, a set of 255/35-18 Conti Extremes as wets) all very fresh. While this is not the forum for selling cars, I maintain my car constantly and have a oil change sitting on the shelf. I do not have the ZCP wheels. It has 97,000 miles but is babied at cold start startup which is the biggest cause of issues with bearings. I change oil every 5,000-7500 miles. Actuators replaced last year. For the record, I've loved my M3 and it has nothing to do with it having any issues. I am just ready for a new chapter in my life. LMK if you have interest before I pull the trigger on the next ride.

[Type_Yarr]

^Clark, what's next?


After this last weekend's event my car has developed a pronounced creak/groan somewhere in the suspension. Sounds like a rubber bushing without enough lube, or a spring creaking. Occurs when entering/leaving the driveway, and on the street in low speed braking/turning, potentially coming from the front-left area. Also noticed it when straightening the wheel while stopped once (caster jacking unloading).

I assume it's the sway bar bushing (Dinan FSB), but between now and when I can take a closer look, I was wondering if anyone has experienced something similar. Any advice on a spray type lube (silicon spray?) that will penetrate and stay well, without having to take the FSB mounts off?

[PedalFaster]

Originally Posted by Type_Yarr

^Clark, what's next?

I'm not Clark, but I have noticed him being pretty active on the Civic forum recently.

[Richbot]

Lube yo bush

I get that when my bar Bush is dry when both wheels are moving in concert over a speed bump etc - then I know it’s time to put some lube on that Bush!

Been a long while since it needed it. I’ve had ok success with just hosing it down with white lightning or equivalent bike chain lube in a pinch

Yours doesn’t have Zerks?

[z3papa]

Originally Posted by PedalFaster

I'm not Clark, but I have noticed him being pretty active on the Civic forum recently.

I'm 95% certain it will be a Civic Type R. It ticks a lot of boxes (newer, warrantied vehicle which retains resale value, spacious seating for 4, hauls all the wheels/tires/gear for events) while still giving me a fun, competitive car.

[Richbot]

How funny is it that Honda makes the best BMW M3 sedan available for sale today

Well, other than Tesla

[Tommysalami]

Originally Posted by Richbot

How funny is it that Honda makes the best BMW M3 sedan available for sale today

Well, other than Tesla

Eh let's not go that far, the CTR is not remotely similar in any way to an M3, except that it performs well and has 4 doors.

The Tesla however is a better comparison

[Richbot]

Originally Posted by Tommysalami

Eh let's not go that far, the CTR is not remotely similar in any way to an M3, except that it performs well and has 4 doors.

The Tesla however is a better comparison

I do go that far sir, and you will withdraw your comment or face my blade, which I have fashioned from a type R bodywork piece (all I did was unbolt it, it was already deadly)

Also, the M3 is out of production! CTR wins by default!

Let us compare:

People make fun of you for having one? Check
245 section width front tires? Check
Foreign? Check
Can only be sold because its maker is printing money selling SUV's it produces in USA? CHECK
Comfy enough? Check
Handles great from the factory? Check
Fits four people and their crap? Check
Has red seats? Check*
Has PERFORMANCE PEDIGREE?! Check
Has four or more doors? Check**
Loud, current version sounds like butt? Check
Enthusiasts love to talk about how great their old version was? Check
Competitive in SCCA street-class autox? Check
Understeers unless you mess with it? Check
Limited Slip Differential? Check
SPORT MODE? Check
Manual trans? Check***
Pricey for no apparent reason? That's a big check

* Standard on CTR, CTR technically wins this one
** 5 doors vs. 4, max, on M3's you can't even buy new now, CTR wins
*** Standard on CTR, automatic available on M3 should technically disqualify the car entirely, but I'll allow it to compete so that it's sporting

The only difference I see is how fast you hit the tree when you floor it and the driven wheels. FWD cars can be super fun. Don't h8, participate (with your eyes closed)

[Tommysalami]

M3 is primarily a luxury sedan upgraded to be a relatively unassuming, RWD sports car that retains its luxury and is a jack of all trades. The Civic (which is great!) is not really in the same spirit as the M3 as it's an upgraded economy sedan that is not in any way shape or form unassuming or subtle, or very luxurious aside from tech features. That was more my point, but I think it's fair to cross-shop both of them as they're two different ways of achieving the same thing

[Richbot]

The 316i is not a luxury sedan

also nobody cares what coupe owners think they are missing half their wits from banging their heads trying to get into a rear seat they could easily have just accessed with actual doors had they been smarter



I'M JOKING AROUND

[z3papa]

Originally Posted by Richbot

I do go that far sir, and you will withdraw your comment or face my blade, which I have fashioned from a type R bodywork piece (all I did was unbolt it, it was already deadly)

Also, the M3 is out of production! CTR wins by default!

Let us compare:

People make fun of you for having one? Check
245 section width front tires? Check
Foreign? Check
Can only be sold because its maker is printing money selling SUV's it produces in USA? CHECK
Comfy enough? Check
Handles great from the factory? Check
Fits four people and their crap? Check
Has red seats? Check*
Has PERFORMANCE PEDIGREE?! Check
Has four or more doors? Check**
Loud, current version sounds like butt? Check
Enthusiasts love to talk about how great their old version was? Check
Competitive in SCCA street-class autox? Check
Understeers unless you mess with it? Check
Limited Slip Differential? Check
SPORT MODE? Check
Manual trans? Check***
Pricey for no apparent reason? That's a big check

* Standard on CTR, CTR technically wins this one
** 5 doors vs. 4, max, on M3's you can't even buy new now, CTR wins
*** Standard on CTR, automatic available on M3 should technically disqualify the car entirely, but I'll allow it to compete so that it's sporting

The only difference I see is how fast you hit the tree when you floor it and the driven wheels. FWD cars can be super fun. Don't h8, participate (with your eyes closed)

No offense Rich but you are being an ass by this comparison. You may not agree with my decision, and I may regret it, although I'm comfortable with where I am at but sometimes, you chose to use ridicule humor to elevate a position. The E90/92 M3 is a halo car which as you get into higher miles has pretty strong preventative maintenance costs. The CTR is also a halo car of different sorts. Unless or until you have driven either extensively, it's hard to really compare one to the other. I want to return to being able to put adults into my back seats, I want to get 28-30 mpg on highway trips, I want a car that doesn't depreciate 50% every 4 years, I want to avoid huge BMW tax on part.

[sgreer78]

If you think BMW tax is bad, buy a Porsche.

I'd say the M2 is a better comparison to the CTR. Both based on economy cars and both way overrated.

[Rexracer]

Originally Posted by z3papa

The E90/92 M3 is a halo car which as you get into higher miles has pretty strong preventative maintenance costs.

This is what I want to understand, what maintenance things are standard beyond RB, throttle actuators, and ???

I assume there is a detailed post someplace?

[Rexracer]

Originally Posted by sgreer78

If you think BMW tax is bad, buy a Porsche.

I'd say the M2 is a better comparison to the CTR. Both based on economy cars and both way overrated.

If you think Porsche Tax is high, try the Ferrari tax. $200 per lug nuts!!!

[Richbot]

Originally Posted by z3papa

No offense Rich but you are being an ass by this comparison. You may not agree with my decision, and I may regret it, although I'm comfortable with where I am at but sometimes, you chose to use ridicule humor to elevate a position. The E90/92 M3 is a halo car which as you get into higher miles has pretty strong preventative maintenance costs. The CTR is also a halo car of different sorts. Unless or until you have driven either extensively, it's hard to really compare one to the other. I want to return to being able to put adults into my back seats, I want to get 28-30 mpg on highway trips, I want a car that doesn't depreciate 50% every 4 years, I want to avoid huge BMW tax on part.

No offense rich but you’re being an ass? It’s called a joke Clark and you consistently take offense where none is meant so I guess I shouldn’t be surprised, I am not making fun of you, the CTR is an objectively awesome car and it’s a better car than an M3 for like, almost everyone. Hell maybe you’ll also raw time BS in it

[Tommysalami]

Alright, let's all remember that tone is hard to convey over text...

The M3 is better because we own it and we need to feel better about our purchase, mmkay?

What do we think CTR depreciation is going to look like after 4 years compared to E9X depreciation + maintenance?

[z3papa]

Originally Posted by Richbot

No offense rich but you’re being an ass? It’s called a joke Clark and you consistently take offense where none is meant so I guess I shouldn’t be surprised, I am not making fun of you, the CTR is an objectively awesome car and it’s a better car than an M3 for like, almost everyone. Hell maybe you’ll also raw time BS in it

Elsewhere, I have taken offense to posts which go out of their way to being personal but it hardly can be asserted I have "consistently taking offense" when I've had 1000's of post which have no issues of offense taken. I think that people behind keyboards say things they'd never say to someone in person, and also think that saying something followed by J/K, LOL or some emoji doesn't always help.

Originally Posted by Tommysalami

Alright, let's all remember that tone is hard to convey over text...

The M3 is better because we own it and we need to feel better about our purchase, mmkay?

What do we think CTR depreciation is going to look like after 4 years compared to E9X depreciation + maintenance?

I agree tone is hard to convey. The M3 is a hell of a car and looking back, the best car I've ever owned. In terms of depreciation, I bought mine (late build 2011.75 sold in 10/2011) in 11/2014 at 3 years old as a CPO with the remaining three years of a 6 warranty. It retailed originally for $73k, I bought it for $43k ($30k off). I have about $8000 of maintenance and repairs (2018 -- $5k in a bunch of repairs including actuators), and it's likely worth $22k private party or $16-18k trade. So, it's depreciated a total of $51-57k over the course 8 years. If I kept it, I suspect I'd have to do the bearings ($2500 parts and labor) and would have at least another $2-3k in repairs in the next 4 years with another $7-10k in depreciation unless the car starts rebounding.

The CTR holds ridiculously to its resale values with 2017 cars which sold for $35k new selling with 20k miles in the $32-33k range. The maintenance costs are minimal based on what I've seen, and the repairs for the first three years will be covered under warranty. Will a CTR be as good to drive as a M3, most likely not. Will it be a great car -- I feel certain of that as well.

[mabrahams]

Has anyone started running the Yoko A052s? Any feedback? National results showed a lot of FS still on Bridgestones.

[sgreer78]

Originally Posted by mabrahams

Has anyone started running the Yoko A052s? Any feedback? National results showed a lot of FS still on Bridgestones.

The winning car was running yoks.

[mabrahams]

Originally Posted by sgreer78

The winning car was running yoks.

Hmm the results show BFGs for winning car?

[dnoble37]

Just in case anyone is getting tired of reading and wants a video.

Tied for 6 out of 100 in pax today in Huntsville AL