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Last time I checked, 10mm is only 0.4". That would be inline with Dinan and slightly less than Eibach. I have a feeling that the package does not just include shorter springs though. There's probably more to it to get it to work reliably which is really the most important part of it for the manufacturer.
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What he means is that there will be no aftermarket dampers that electronically adjust and are compatible with the EDC electronic controls. There are many spring combinations that can be used with the stock EDC dampers with varying degrees of success.
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so if what im reading is correct eibach springs are the safest way to go? all other springs are bullshit? the overall best option would be going with KW straight up...but EDC will be a waste?
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I'm trying to see if anybody had any good experience with JRZ Suspension?
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01-26-2010, 11:10 PM | #49 |
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I am sorry to say but the rationale from the OP seems over simplistic.
First, as other have mentioned, most springs - including OEM springs - have progressive rates (i.e. the K value in the spring force equation is not constant over the compression band; Force = k * x, where "x" is the the compression/elongation). Second, aftermarket springs typically have higher rates along the compression band (determined mostly by coils diameter and geometry) which means that the forces acting against the compression of the spring are higher, which in turns creates the stiffer ride. If a spring is well engineered, the ultimate force to fully compress the spring so that the shock hits the bump stop is so high that it probably never happens in real life. And yes, you get less travel, but I am not sure that is detrimental to the handling of the car. BTW, I have had H&R Sport Springs for over 8 months and many track/autocross days: No complaints. Love the ride and feel.
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PHEW!!!!....good to hear man...getting my Eibach's installed this weekend and I was worried about EDC...
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So we cannot assume anything about that 10mm drop and EDC until the exact details of that EDC/springs are published. |
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01-27-2010, 06:07 PM | #53 | |
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When a spring drops the front ride height by 1", you will be riding on the bump stop! This is a fact... |
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01-28-2010, 01:23 AM | #54 | |
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I'm curious if my Eibach springs are still hurting my shocks or not. Feels great compared to the H&R's..
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The GTS has coil overs from sachs
If i'm not mistaken the GTS has height adjustable suspension from SACHS
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01-28-2010, 02:30 PM | #56 |
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Yes it does. From my understanding it is very similar to the Sachs Performance kit for the regular 3 series and the ACS Racing suspension kit. Probably 20-click single adjustable with up-side-down technology.
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01-28-2010, 02:45 PM | #57 |
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And the GTS drop is closer to 35mm. The 10mm drop is for the 7MA and Edition M3s.
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"When a lot of weight is transferred...,you get understeer" I don't think you're transferring a lot of weight to the front by lowering the front by an inch and the rear by half an inch. You'll get more negative camber up front(at least an additional -.5 degrees than stock),lower CG,less body roll... this should create less understeer(push) and in some cases cause oversteer(loose) if too much weight is transferred to the front making the rear light a la Mustang (tail happy) which isn't the case here anyway. Last edited by V1.47fan; 02-07-2010 at 09:46 PM.. |
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2. When one talks about weight transfer, it is not just the 'downforce' -- it is also the lateral centrifugal force that is created when your vehicle is turning. More weight transfer to an axle equals more understeer because more grip is required to 'push in' your car... and vice versa. Now, what you may be thinking about is the 'downforce' that is created by wings or other aerodynamic features. In this context you are getting the benefit of weight (downforce) but not the penalty (lateral centrifugal force). 3. Less body roll does not equal to less weight transfer. When you have stiffer springs there will obviously be less body roll, but the weight transfer from inner to outer wheels is just as much as before. Last edited by rzm3; 02-07-2010 at 11:57 PM.. |
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so what can be considered definitive for our cars with EDC? Dinan or Eibach? From what I've been reading Dinan is probably the way to go but the drop isn't as noticeable. I can't really make up my mind on this...
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This is kind of off the main topic but it's my understanding that a stiffer spring transfers weight away from that corner. Obviously, a lot of other factors go into vehicle dynamics, but springs should cause understeer if the rear spring rates are too soft or the front are too stiff.
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So for those of us with drop springs, any idea on when the stock struts will degrade in quality? Eventually, I will more than likely replace everything with coil-overs, but am wondering how many miles I can get out of the stock struts even if it is just an estimate...
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1) I'm not aware of anyone who had to replace their EDC shocks yet 2) Lifetime of a wear part is not something that can be calculated with precision because there are so many variables that affect rate of wear.
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