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03-24-2016, 03:39 PM | #49 |
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Meh... The only thing I really hate about the F8x are the rear seatbelts are F'ing unusable for a child booster seat... they're buried in the cushion and too far to the outside.
Also the thing is just bigger. My next car might have to be a 1 series and by then my son will be out of the booster anyway.
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And I still wouldn't trade my E93 for the M4 if you paid me. F8x is a misfire by BMW, partly because it lacks that special X factor,that the E9x M cars have in spades; maybe that's because of the S65, or just the overall package. Newer isn't necessarily better, at least for me. I'll hold onto my E93 until either the new M5, or if that turns up to be like the F8x M cars too, it'll be a 911 C4S probably.
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I would totally trade my E92 for an M4 if you paid me, and then I would sell the M4 and buy a nice clean E92 (perhaps with a limited paint) and mod the hell out of it, and pocket the difference. |
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Dude, there is you and there is BMW..
You think BMW would make a worse car as generations go on? That's ridiculous, why would a company make a car that is worse than the predecessor? So silly, that I want to smack you. Think logically. Also you said throttle response and steering feedback in the E92 is better, making it a better performance car. Both of those things that you mentioned, does not make the car go any faster, it makes it "feel" faster. In performance, its all about quantitative data, barely anything to do with qualitative. Having said that, sure the engine is 2" higher, but what about all the other things that BMW changed to compensate. You found one crap thing, and now you are going all ape shit on the new M3. But one things we have in common is the 8400rpm redline . For the fun of it, to add to the bashing of the new M3, the new M3 is a weak redline. Makes it so much less of a performance car .....
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This is really the answer. There is certainly nothing wrong with the current M3/M4 and it is objectively a faster car than an E9x that's for sure. The sad part about it however is that the M3 used to be considerably better than its competitors, in terms of on the track performance, being the "drivers machine", and as the whole package. The F8x just no longer really has that advantage. The on-track performance is basically the same as its competitors, its definitely not the drivers car (that ironically seems to be reserved for the American ATS-V), and while I do think it is the best overall package that is largely subjective and many would consider it the same as its competitors. In a nutshell the M3 went from dominating its segment to being an also-ran. |
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As time goes on I am more into the feel and quality of a car than it's performance numbers. I could give a hoot if the car is 4-tenths quicker in the quarter or the lateral g's are .05 higher. Doesn't matter to me if the car does 180 or 202 MPH; not going there anyway. Feel and driving experience and appearance matter a lot, so does fit/finish and reliability. So if a car manufacturer releases something that has better numbers but is less fun to drive (not referring to any specific car here), many of us will look elsewhere.
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In breaking news, the E92 engine sits higher and weighs more than an E46 M3, so that must make the E46 better.... but hang on, the E46 engine sits higher than an E36, so the E36 must be better.....
When will the madness end!?!?!?!?!
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Naw. The m3 V8 weighs 33lbs less and I'm sure the CoG is lower due to V vs inline configuration
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sarcasm dude.....
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