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I may consider the S5 since its price will be close to $53k.
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Judgement on the price of the M is an opinion based upon many things. Essentially, I want a car which is fun to drive. I own one which is quite fun and it will take a decent price point for me to jump into another.
"Also the argument that $62k is too expensive, "so I'll just get a base (NO options) 911 Carrera S for $84k" is simply ridiculous. Very close performance (likely exceeded in many performance metrics by the E92 M3) less seating, less trunk, but indeed possibly a bit more fun/pure but for 1/3rd more with no options. Come on get real. Don't even get me going about the base 911 (non S) for $74k base it is clearly going to be significantly out performed by the E92 M3. The price of the M3 will not "too high" nor is its price to performance ratio. The price to performance ratio is exactly where the M3 will be unbeatable." Ridiculous, my ass. http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.js...1&cardist=1054 |
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Errr... thats a used one. 2 years soon to be 3 years old. You can get a used M5 for that price if you wanted. Go on Porsche's website and build one without options and you will see how much it is.
Plus thats the 325hp (996) model
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I know, I'm being redundant, but the M won't likely be walking away from the MY2008 911S. On a BMW forum, the price of Porsche's admission may not be worth it, but there is an intangible with the 911, that makes driving involvement very entertaining. $20k more, is a personal preference. Even if the car's yeild close to identical performance, the feedback from a 911 may be worth the price of admission. I certainly believe that it is, but Porsche's biggest downfall is the residuals (like someone posted). In the states, they fall quickly in the first few years. If the M is priced too high and suffers a similar fate, BMW will lose some customers for that reason alone. For me, if price were no object and residuals were meaningless, I'd buy the 911S all day long. |
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+1 A 997 c2 (non s) fully loaded from the dealer breaks 100k granted cf can run you 7k all in itself. Never the less when looking at vehicles such as and not limited to the M3, RS4, CLK 63, Skyline gtr, 997 GT3/tt/GT2 etc. Price should really be the last concern. Driveability, trackability and your general needs as driver should be the catalysts of your descision. Surely not whether the base will be 55k or 62k. Most of you guys are correct though, BMW should base the new M3 at 35k. <----What could they possibly be thinking of actually trying to turn a profit. Stupid Corporation. Get real people look at the leaps and bounds the M division has done with the new 3.
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I don't recall reading a post that suggested the M should start @ $35k. I do think that for what BMW is offering, it shoudn't be above, or much above $60k. As far as the 997S; yes you can break $100k, but if so you're adding a lot of toys. For comparison sake, I kept the MSRP @ $92k because it's really not fair to add things like: Sport Adaptive Seats, PCCBs, Full Leather or other beautiful but overpriced options. And, it's certainly not fair to add $7k in cf. A well equipped 997S is about $92. For that price you get everything needed for an apple to apple comparo. I.E. Sport Chrono, Full Power Seats, Bose, Heated Seats, and a few other modestly priced goodies. In other words, you're not missing out on anything for performance, comfort and/or resale. And, if someone is pricing a non S 997 over $100k in the states, they have more problems with their head than trying to decide on a car! The median price for the 997S is what I quoted. And, being that the 997's have been out for a little bit, getting $5-7k off MSRP is not a problem. So, the $ disparity lessens. |
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I am comparing apples to apples. The comparison is between two peformance cars similarly optioned (and, on paper similarly performing); as best we can. As far as what one should consider, I disagree entirely. If the 997 had a better residual, I wouldn't consider the M3. (Please re-read my previous post) I can afford the 997S or another turbo, but I struggle between what logic and emotion tell me; lol. So, if the E92's residuals are anyway in line with the E46, I'd prefer to take much less of a bath with the E92; albiet (imo) I won't have my prefered car, but that's a choice I am willing to make. There could be worse things in life. |
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If it comes in too high priced then I am going to go buy a 1982 pimped out Cadillac Brougham - scarlet red...but I am going to buy the aftermarket CSL trunk and make it fit...that will look soooooooo sweet....I think I will chip the engine too...
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Sounds...reeeaaallll slick. But, will you keep the spoiler? |
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