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Well put. I felt compelled to post in here as well, but you covered just about everything I wanted to and then some. I laugh at the ESS guys here, they know no other way. Please keep in mind I also have not purchased products or services from BPM at this time. I may in the near future as a result of the products and services offered appealing to me, only time will tell. |
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ESS VT2-625: System components: -Vortech V3Si supercharger unit. -Vortech Maxflow Race bypass assembly. -Uni-belt drive system with additional OEM quality rollers. -8 High Capacity Bosch Motorsport fuel injectors (Spec 3). -Perfectly optimized, dyno tweaked MSS60 ECU software with removed top speed governor, calibrated for spec 3 injectors. -CNC hard anodized brackets and hardware. -K&N high flow air filter. -High temperature casted plastic intake system for SC -High capacity liquid intercooler system (VT2 only). -Cast aluminium ESS intake manifold with integrated lightweight velocity stacks optimized for boost. -High temperature silicone hoses with clamps -Detailed, step-by-step installation manual. -Heavy-Duty drive belt. -ESS oil breather assembly designed for boost. -All installation hardware included -2yr./unlimited mileage warranty. -ESS E-Flash reprogramming and diagnostic interface. VF620 Supercharger System - 6.0-7.0psi manifold boost pressure - 620 hp / 400 ft/lbs - Vortech V3Si Compressor, in exclusive VFE Ceramic Black finish - Textured cast-aluminum intake manifold - High flow Greddy Type R overrun bypass valve system - CAD designed cassette-style slide aftercooler cartridge - OEM front-mounted water-to-air intercooler - Dedicated Recirculation System with High Flow Electric Pump and OEM-type reservoir - CNC Machined T6061 supercharger Bracket, T3 anodized for strength and durability - K&N Oiled Type Air Filter, with rotomolded intake tract - Hex OBD2 USB Flash Cable capable of loading multiple tunes/diagnostics - Upgraded Bosch fuel injectors - Silicone Coupler Hoses w/ Norma euro-style hose clamps - OBD2 compliant for dealer diagnostics - Fully reversible conversion - Detailed Instructions - 1 year unlimited mileage warranty - Easily upgradable to VF650 What do we notice right away? These kits (and similar with AA/Evolve, etc) are nothing but a mashup of other manufacturers parts. The components that are made by the vendor are more or less limited to the manifold, and the tune, and THAT IS ALL. So what we're debating here is whether or not BPM can make a competing TUNE for the Vortech/Bosch/Etc [read NON-ESS] parts that make up the kit. I would assume that even the manifolds in these kits are extremely similar in construction -- so we can probably eliminate those as well. In fact, all BPM would have to do to release a "Supercharger Kit" would be to work out their tune for it, have a manifold fabbed, and buy some parts from other manufacturers... just like ESS do. I'm not saying ESS isn't great, as it appears they are, but let's not go around acting like they've hand-built every piece of their 'kit.' We're talking about competing tunes, and any competition should be encouraged. Last edited by nullrouted; 09-06-2013 at 02:52 PM.. |
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Here is a Evo Mustang GT running mid 8s 160mph.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aj2VQ...yer_detailpage I think ESS did a hell of job putting the kit together so folks can run these huffers and they got paid handsomely doing it. A Vortech S trim or such for a Mustang is under $5k, while most S/C kits for M3s start near $8k and up for a basic kit.
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nicely said nullrouted. I was actually doing the same thing but left it at, all guys run the Vortech kit. All kits should be called Vortech SC with XXX manifold
Does anyone else notice this on the forums? -BPM review (ESS guys start questioning shit) -ESS review (ESS guys are partying it up in there) In both cases, ESS folks. I say, get the product which is best for you! Mix and mash shit up. |
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Doesn't this just sound strange? |
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Vortech is NOT A kit!!! It's a blower....by itself it does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. ESS uses their blowers just as AA buys rotrex blowers and has put in time and R&D to create a workable, usable system, ALONG with a TUNE! If companies like ESS weren't using vortech blowers, vortech wouldn't be in business.
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I think Greddy makes the bypass valve to be used on a supercharger system - not on an AFTERMARKET kit. You could slap the Greddy part on a stock supercharged setup. What are you thinking?
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I don't have any experience in tuning a S65 FI car, and you know what neither do you. You didn't do it..you just threw money at your car and had someone else do it. Why are you getting so bent out of shape over this. The OP spent his own money tuning a ESS S/C kit (used I might add) and you are acting like someone pissed all over your poptart. You need to pick your battles..this isn't one of them. There is the old adage..."when you are in a hole, you quit digging." Dave
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Doesn't even justify a response...
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You are welcome. I remember the good ole days when I called you and tightie the Gintani fanbois.
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Haha, I remember that! Tightie still is, I moved on.
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