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04-08-2013, 12:53 AM | #1 |
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Lowering springs bad for your car?
Hey guys I just recently purchased the kw sleeve kit that's height adjustable, but before putting them on my mechanic said it would not be good for my car. Is this true and why? The sleeve is not the full coilover just the springs that uses the oem shocks. Appreciate the insight guys!
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04-08-2013, 01:29 AM | #2 |
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You will probably get some premature wear on the shock, since they weren't designed for the rate on aftermarket springs. Theoretically, some increased stress on the CV joints, but for mild drops ~1", I doubt this is a major concern. The ride may become bouncier/rougher. You should expect to lose warranty coverage for your suspension components and parts of the drivetrain impacted by the drop, depending on how strict your dealer is.
I'm a believer in going with upgraded shock/struts when changing springs - only reason I haven't is because my car has EDC. I don't like the idea of using a module to work around the issue, so I'm sticking with stock. |
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You'll be fine. As stated above, your shocks will likely wear faster.
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04-08-2013, 09:54 AM | #4 |
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Don't worry about it too much. I researched this extensively before buying a set. Kw is a leading suspension company. Countless hours of R&D go into every kit they sell. Other members haven't described bounce after installing the sleeve kit.
Will the life of the shock be affected? I'm guessing so but we are talking minimally.
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04-08-2013, 10:50 AM | #5 |
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yes, premature wear, likely not measurable unless you're keeping your car beyond 100k or so...
The real question is, can you live with the suspension mods as a DD? On my last car (Evo 8), I did full coilovers and a 25mm rear sway bar. Yeah, it looked great, handled well, but not measurably better...and the mods battered my brain inside my skull for the 2 years I drove in that car in the city. Never again... IMO, the M3's 3 EDC settings are perfect balance of sport and comfort. The stiffest is just stiff enough not to come out of the car with a smashed skeleton, but still capable for a novice on a track. If you must lower the car, I would maybe go with OEM ZCP springs, though the drop is not noticible... |
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I'm already scrapping in weird places (I have CF splitters) and I love the way the car currently handles (I have EDC). If I become REALLY desperate, I'll add spacers (not 100% sure how I feel about them still) to get that bulldog stance. When it's time to rebuild my suspension, I'll probably just switch over to ZCP parts.
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Although, the springs that recently popped onto the market that might try are Swift Spec-Rs. The marketing BS is pulling me in ... (new metals, thinner coils, like OEM streetability, etc.) |
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with my past car, I've noticed that the best way to approach suspension mods is to do track days. Learn the car, then make minute and relatively balanced changes to the suspension (camber plates, slightly thicker sway bars) before doing the full hog-wild independently adjustable coilovers, etc... |
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04-08-2013, 11:15 AM | #11 |
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don't give in! it's all the same marketing BS, stiffer and lower ride without giving up the subjective "streetability"...etc etc etc...it's all the same concept, stiff and lower spring to grind your pelvis down to dust while driving your car, while giving you the fake tinsel of "high performance".
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Have you maximized the potential of your stock set-up, I.e., are you able to drive the car to the limits of the stock suspension? If not, why "upgrade"?
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The answer for most people would be "Needs a drop"... purely for looks.
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Yea, I can understand that.
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I can speak from experience on the following suspension options, Stock EDC, Stock non-EDC, Stock EDC with Eibach springs, and KW Clubsport 3-way Coilovers. I have not found that the Eibach springs or KW Clubsports "grind your pelvis down to dust while driving your car". I have found the ride of both the springs and KW's to be stiffer but not unbearable in any way. Since the clubsports are adjustable it has allowed me to tune my ride height and ride quality to a level that I find completely livable day to day. In fact I love how it has transformed the car. I do live in CA where the roads are relatively smooth (despite what the CA natives think). I went through 3 winters on Eibachs in MN where there are real potholes and road problems. I would certainly do it again without hesitation. The ride was barely stiffer than stock and the ride height was much improved. I never took the car on the track so I can't say that the performance was actually improved. In addition... I did have Bilstein PSS9's on my former Porsche 996 C2. I was not happy with the ride in that car. It had suspension rattles and was simply uncomfortable. Thankfully I didn't let that experience prevent me from trying coilovers on my M3. I have been more than happy with the results. I don't have personal experience with the KW sleeve-over kit so I can't comment on that.
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My experience of Eibach springs on EDC is that the ride (up to 77K) is better than stock, and with a little less roll, more fun in the corners. It looks better too.
As for the track, I switched relatively early in my track career, so I cannot tell if it made a difference or not.
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i wouldn't say i had a negative experience, just the cost/benefit wasn't there for me. But I'm glad you spoke up, b/c it's detailed reviews like this that allows potential buyers a good preview of what to expect. BTW, my Evo coilovers (Zeal/Endless) were even stiffer than the "out of the box" Bilstein PSS9 versions for the Evo. |
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Aside from more wear on shocks and increased likelihood to scraping, no real harm. Feel and performance are another story. Being that they're adjustable is nice. Give 'em a shot and see what you think.
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