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Update coming by end of this weekend.
I've got everything I need for the next steps which I outlined in this post: For more details refer to the post linked above and general discussion on page 4 of the thread. |
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Nice! Hoping for some good news.
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Update:
The BT Scan Tool can't "see" the portion of the DSC/MDM part of the Tech Package. This isn't unexpected for reasons that can be found in earlier parts of this thread. All is not lost, I'm on to step 2--contacting BT about adding the ability to read it and maybe more functionality (activations, commands) around it. I'll see where I get with that and report back. In the meantime, if anyone else wants to pursue other approaches that's welcome too of course! |
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11-03-2009, 08:47 AM | #95 |
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Thanks Finnegan. I wish I had more time, because playing with a CAN BUS analyzer would be fun, and I'd probably learn a ton. If I can find a cheap one or one with a free trial I might try to do it... if I can find the time.
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11-03-2009, 09:47 AM | #96 |
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While I applaud the "technical" knowledge necessary to accomplish this task, I have to ask, "Why?" "Because it's there" isn't really an answer.
Thus far, the posts in here all say the same thing, "If you could do that, I'd love it. I'd pay for it." Really? It seems to me that if your amortize the time spent on this project, the actual costs in obtaining the tools and equipment, etc., the necessary costs one would have to charge to offer something like this to the masses would far exceed the cost of simply optioning your car with the M-Button to begin with. Frankly, I've never understood this thought process - "I really wish 'X' company would offer the car with 'Y' option instead of the way they do it now." Well, okay, but they don't, for a reason - usually because it would be far too cost prohibitive to option the car a'la carte they way people want it done. I've had this discussion with my other cars as well, especially my Corvette. People on the Vette forums bitch and moan that the DVD system doesn't play movies while in motion and some other nav system complaints. They have spent YEARS trying to hack the code in the nav system, all to no avail. The time and effort wasted on that would have paid for an aftermarket nav install more to their liking a thousand times over. Why do it? For the "fun" of beating the BMW engineers and decoding their work? Great, but that's not a business model, and it certainly won't help when the warranty is voided. Just my $0.02.
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11-03-2009, 10:18 AM | #97 | |
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b) Plenty of aftermarket solutions exist to provide OEM or OEM-like functionality, sometimes cheaper than OEM. c) Even people with the M-Button would still benefit from being able to switch on MDM via the console. |
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11-03-2009, 12:32 PM | #98 | |
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If they do, then the CAN bus analyzer is the required route. And that's where I'll gracefully bow out since that's way out of my league. As for the questions about "why", well "why not" give it a shot? There are module-based solutions that have already provided the ability to do things the car cannot do with "stock". For example, it's now possible to run a DVD while this particular car is in motion. It appears that in terms of electronic modules and mechanics MDM and non-MDM cars are the same. It's a matter of trying to send the appropriate message on the CAN bus. So there is good reason to think we might be able to do this. As to the financial analysis, sometimes people do things for other reasons--like "fun". If you look at a DIY project on your car, say an stealth install of a V1, if you modelled the costs (of your time) vs. some "expert" doing it the expert might be the better deal. But for some working on the car and doing it themselves is fun. This project is a bit of investigation and problem solving--a puzzle if you will. Some, like me, enjoy working through problem solving and puzzles...simple as that. Also, there are folks on this board who IRL work with bus messaging, electrical engineering, and other related professions. We have access to some good minds/resources, and those would be needed to get to a working solution. Some of them may want to contribute to give back to the community. I for one have found the community here very helpful and this is one way (very small way) I can give back to it. |
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Good luck on your quest! But you might be out of your league. My car had a major DSC Malfunction in MDM mode while i was on the Nordschleife. It took BMW engineers from Munich a whole week to resolve the issue. the car has to many sensors to measure pitch, rol,l wheel speed and ETC. Our cars have a GYRO or pitch yaw controller or what ever it's called under neath the drivers seat this is what failed on my car.
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One more thing - I see this kind of thing all over other message boards - "Hey, let's all work together and see if we can hack the original designers' intentions." I have yet to really see it work. It's one thing to splice some wires to fool a DVD player into working. It's quite another to reprogram an entire car to allow it to operated differently than intended from the factory. Good luck, but I have a suspicion it will simply peter out and go nowhere. This thread is already gathering dust, and no one has reported any significant progress.
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11-04-2009, 02:22 AM | #103 |
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Thanks Tom! If we all took the kind of advice some have offered the list of available mods and options (such as the modules EAS offers) would be rather limited!
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11-04-2009, 03:07 AM | #104 | |
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"My M3 has no MDM on it at the moment. Is there a possible way for me to get one for my car? (I have no iDrive)" Nothing about business opportunities there. The guy simply wanted to know if he good get MDM somehow. Others are interested also. If you are not interested, your best option is probably to just go read other things that do interest you. I encourage you to do just that. |
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As for tom @ eas - I like your products. But, my point remains the same - someone engineered a little box to fool the DVD player. Great. That's pretty easy to do - it's not reprogramming the whole car. A totally different thing. Also, you admit you have to cut wires. There goes the warranty, and you know it, same with this little project. All I'm saying is be honest about it.
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The two aren't even closely related. But on the TVinMOTION modules: 1. It's not easy to do. There are multiple signals in the car that (not only ebrake and ABS) that indicate the vehicle is in motion. The modules are even USB upgradable. 2. Warranty cannot be voided if there isn't an issue in the first place, nor if the item in question didn't cause said damage in the first place. To date, there has never been a single issue with reliability or performance on any of our modules. IMHO - If you're not interested in either of the projects, there's really no need to comment on the thread. However, a lot of new innovative ideas/projects are the end result from other people saying "they cant".
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11-04-2009, 11:46 AM | #107 |
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Guys, I've looked at other posts by our friend and I see a similar trend in terms of responses/comments to the ones (all 23 to date) we see here. I'm not responding any further than this--I simply won't take the bait.
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"All true, but I believe that the original intent of this 'program' was to turn it into a viable business opportunity." Clearly that was not the original intent. Also, not all of the responses relate to a business opportunity. In fact, most don't. Just keeping it real for you. Since you seem to be quite concerned with the goings-on in here, I have to assume you would want to stick strictly to the facts. |
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Interestingly, the M3 GTS which info was released today does not have iDrive (understandably). I would assume it has some kind of MDM function. I wonder how they implemented it and if it can be retrofitted somehow.
Below is the only image I could see that shows the iDrive controller is not present. I look forward to getting more info on: 1) Whether MDM is present or not (I would wager it has some form of it, maybe with even more options) 2) How it is accessed
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