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Sorry for bringing back such an old thread, but I wonder how a Supercharged E60 M5 will stand up against an M3/4
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One thing that we can all agree on (unless you're in denial) is that the M5 sounds 100000 times better than any M3/M4 ever will. That V10 is to brutal.
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The gear ratios of the E60 M5 SMG are so much better than most other cars above 100mph. I remember seeing a chart that showed the advantage the E60 M5 has over other cars above the 100mph due to the gearing and 8k rpm motor pushing it. It explained very well why M5's could pull cars with more hp and lighter weight on the top end.
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05-24-2018, 09:50 AM | #29 |
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I've got to get me an E63...
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There's always "the era" for any brand.
I feel like BMW's golden era was from early 90s to late 2008, where they were among the best in motorsport (F1,DTM) and adopted bulk of the technologies in production cars just like the Mercs in recent days. In early 2000, BMW M hit a jackpot with E46 M3 and E39 M5, followed by decimation of its competitors using F1 inspired engines in E6x/E9x. It's what got me into BMW in the first place. Fxx~ is a different generation all together. Much more subtle and user friendly. Interesting? Not so much... tries too hard to beat its competitors rather than setting a standard with innovative technology. Maybe the others have gotten too good.
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05-24-2018, 11:09 AM | #31 |
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Imagine if the E9X M had a V10 upgrade option from the factory. One can only dream...
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05-28-2018, 08:16 PM | #32 |
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I found this information very interesting when looking at E60 M5 performance...
Numbers from Car & Driver magazine: Car Model: (100-150)mph time, (0-150)mph minus (0-100)mph time, (Car & Driver issue), HP, Car weight Z4M : 21.5s, 32.9-11.4 (C&D, June'06), 330HP, 3300lb 2009 GT-R : 16.2s, 26.6 - 10.2 (C&D, Aug'08), 480HP, 3900lb 2011 GT500 :14.5s, 23.6 - 9.1 (C&D, Aug'10), 550HP, 3800lb C6 LS3 Z51 : 14.3s, 23.5 - 9.2 (C&D, Sep'07), 436HP, 3300lb E63 AMG : 13.9s, 23.4 - 9.5 (C&D, Dec'09), 518HP, 4200lb Jaguar XFR : 13.4s, 22.9 - 9.5 (C&D, Dec'09), 510HP, 4400lb 2012 Carrera S:13.1s, 21.7 - 8.6 (C&D, Feb 2012), 400HP, 3265lb E60 M5 6spd manual : 13.1s, 23.4 - 10.3 (C&D, Feb'07), 500HP, 4200lb CTS-V : 12.8s, 22.3 -9.5 (C&D, Dec'09), 556HP, 4300lb Panamera Turbo : 12.2s, 20.4 - 8.2 (C&D, Apr'10), 500HP, 4300lb E60 M5 SMG : 11.3s, 20.7 - 9.4 (C&D, Jan '06), 500HP, 4200lb 2013 GT-R: 10.6s, 17.8 - 7.2 (C&D, Feb 2012), 545HP, 3907lb F10 M5 DCT : 10.0s, 18.3 - 8.3 (C&D, Dec 2011), 560HP, 4300lb 2008 911GT-2 : 9.9s, 18.0 - 8.1 (C&D, Aug'08), 530HP, 3300lb 2008 ACR : 9.8s, 17.5 - 7.7 (C&D, Aug'08), 600HP, 3400lb 2013 Mustang GT500: 9.7s, 17.6 - 7.9 (C&D, Aug 2012), 662HP, 3882lb 2008 C6 Z06: 9.6s, 17.9 - 8.3 (C&D, Aug' 08), 505HP, 3100lb 2012 C6 206: 9.4s, 17.0 - 7.6 (C&D, Feb 2012), 505HP, 3259lb 2011 Ferrari 458: 8.5s, 15.0 - 6.5 (C&D, Sep 2011), 562HP, 3325lb 2011 911 GT2 RS:7.8s, 14.4 - 6.6 (C&D, Sep 2011), 620HP, 3085lb 2011 McLaren LP4-12C: 7.8s, 13.9 - 6.1 (C&D, Sep 2011), 593HP, 3187lb |
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SMG was actually pretty great when accelerating like this. Around town it was slow and clunky.
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I sold mine about a year ago, still miss it. I sometimes think about getting another one and budgeting the money to preventatively fix all the complex and unique systems on the car, but by the time you’re done with bearings, vanos pump, vanos solenoids (which BMW stopped making, so OEM is now $1200 each, car needs 4), updated piston oil squirter, and then everything associated with the SMG, it becomes a very expensive project and it’s money you’ll never get back, the cars aren’t worth shit these days unless it has really low miles. An E90 M3 makes so much more sense, and adding a blower gets you even more insane top end power. And yet, there are days where I find myself cruising YouTube, stumble upon a video of an uncorked S85 V10, and the wheels in my head start turning. What a ridiculously awesome and fun car, not a forever keeper because of the issues with it but everyone who’s an automotive enthusiast should own one at some point. |
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Ah, the old "no replacement for displacement." A great engine overall!
Awards The S85 has won the following awards at the International Engine of the Year: -2005 International Engine of the Year, Best Performance Engine, Best Above 4.0 Litre, Best New Engine -2006 International Engine of the Year, Best Performance Engine, Best Above 4.0 Litre -2007 Best Performance Engine, Best Above 4.0 Litre -2008 Best Above 4.0 Litre Applications |
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I wonder how the used E6X market would look if they had come with a similarly reliable vanos system to the E9X, and better trans options...Yea I'm a dreamer...
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There was something sexy about driving around a 4 door sedan with an exotic race motor in it. The F8x has a turbo just like any other car. No longer special.
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I would have kept mine, that's for sure. SMG in stop and go traffic is a nightmare. Remember the E60 M5 CSL concept car from BMW? It had the DCT.
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I recently drove the M4 Convertible and I have to tell you it was the most underwhelming M Car I've ever driven in my life. My 1983 533i had way more feeling and feedback than that car. The E60 M5 is a beast as others said. Mine devastated my friend's Gallardo in a 30 mph rolling start and even kept up with a CTSV wagon at a 60 mph rolling start, (Mind you the CTSV had more than 700 hp). The E60 M5 is completed underrated and underappreciated. One day people will see that car for the supercar it was.
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