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      07-19-2020, 09:53 PM   #177
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You will have a long wait. The G87 M2 wont be around until 2023.
Yes, I had better temper my enthusiasm . . . and enjoy the toys in-hand.

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I am seeing some quintessential BMW design cues here
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      07-20-2020, 10:04 AM   #179
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I am seeing some quintessential BMW design cues here
WoW, those renderings looks perfect! Just throw in a flat color option and it's a wrap..
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I agree with this being the new enthusiast M4. The G87 should get a lot more tech. Hopefully feel a bit more luxurious, but in a smaller package. It looks sharp.
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I am seeing some quintessential BMW design cues here
Render still not capturing the tail lights properly . . . the 'spy shots' do not show the tail lights extending into the trunk line.

Also, they exhaust obviously does not mesh between render and 'spy shot.'

G'dammit, I sense a long two years ahead as the M2/M2C actually come to light.

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      07-20-2020, 02:04 PM   #182
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I gotta say I love that rendered image!
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Looks like it might have grown a few inches... hopefully not too much.
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Good looking car. But it's now an F8 M4 replacement with similar styling cues. The new M4 is now an M6 size. At this rate we will need decimal place sizes. The 0.5 series with the M 0.75 being the one to go for in the next iterations.
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hope they fix steering and include lsd with i6 ... current m240 steering is horrid and can also trim some fat
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Looks like it might have grown a few inches... hopefully not too much.
Definitely looks like the 2 series has grown in size. Not good.
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[IMG]https://media.caradvice.com.au/image...qdbffyigjg.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]https://media.caradvice.com.au/image...yw47f74xum.jpg[/IMG]

Pics of the next gen 2 were leaked a few months back
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Too high, bmw is not making good looking cool cars anymore

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      07-21-2020, 10:34 AM   #189
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Looking fantastic!

KEY is that there is no evidence of a front grille atrocity that is plaguing the rest of the BMW lineup.

Difficult to say for certain, but is appears BMW has 'drawn out' the rear third of the G87 . . . looks M4-like now, which is awesome. If I were to complain about the F87 design, it is the blunted or squared-off rear third (C pillar).

Throw an S58 under the hood and the G87 is going to be an incredible successor to the F87. The G87 M2 is going to be the new M4 for BMW enthusiasts, if the F87 is not already.

Serious consideration for anyone on fence or tired of waiting for M2CS build to be taken . . . consider holding out for the G87 M2 at this point. I believe the G87 is going to be even more 'special,' particularly with the S58 engine.

Well, enough enthusiasm for now. . .

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Yip, all this, cannot wait and not long now to see the basic 2er then start imagining all the booty squats and gym work going into those rear hips
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Playing a little devil’s advocate here . . .

When I see older 3 and 4 series on the road, I think the same thing. . . those not-so-much-older models are beautiful, noticeably much smaller and reek of BMW architecture.

Watching the soon to be released M3/4 models – front grilles and other architecture aside – I think damn, those things better have huge brakes and roll bars . . . literal tanks that look awkward on a track. I am not a tracker, so the architecture and daily use feature are most relevant to ME. The former is completely prohibitive, but I am certain they will be great sporty sedan/coupe for spirited daily use.

The F87 is the smallest ///M coupe, although still a small tank. As you say, also sits quite high. However, this is all relative. BMW does not make anything that competes with, for example, Porsche when it comes to chassis and associated performance. If that is what you are after, then BMW might very well be dead to you.

However, I think the M2 is still extremely enticing. Still retains architecture AND performance features that BMW enthusiasts have come to appreciate. It is as close to what M4 enthusiasts can get when it comes to expectations. I would not want to take it to a track, as it is just too heavy and loose. But for daily spirited use, I think the M2 is still a great BMW.

Everything known so far suggests BMW is not going to f*ck what they have in the F87 when producing the G87. The S58 and some other tweaks are, I believe, going to make the G87 M2/M2C even better than the already special F87.

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[IMG]https://media.caradvice.com.au/image...yw47f74xum.jpg[/IMG]

Pics of the next gen 2 were leaked a few months back
I predict a Bimmerpost meltdown if there is genuinely another M badge location added by BMW onto that lower valence/intake

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Playing a little devil’s advocate here . . .

When I see older 3 and 4 series on the road, I think the same thing. . . those not-so-much-older models are beautiful, noticeably much smaller and reek of BMW architecture.

Watching the soon to be released M3/4 models – front grilles and other architecture aside – I think damn, those things better have huge brakes and roll bars . . . literal tanks that look awkward on a track. I am not a tracker, so the architecture and daily use feature are most relevant to ME. The former is completely prohibitive, but I am certain they will be great sporty sedan/coupe for spirited daily use.

The F87 is the smallest ///M coupe, although still a small tank. As you say, also sits quite high. However, this is all relative. BMW does not make anything that competes with, for example, Porsche when it comes to chassis and associated performance. If that is what you are after, then BMW might very well be dead to you.

However, I think the M2 is still extremely enticing. Still retains architecture AND performance features that BMW enthusiasts have come to appreciate. It is as close to what M4 enthusiasts can get when it comes to expectations. I would not want to take it to a track, as it is just too heavy and loose. But for daily spirited use, I think the M2 is still a great BMW.

Everything known so far suggests BMW is not going to f*ck what they have in the F87 when producing the G87. The S58 and some other tweaks are, I believe, going to make the G87 M2/M2C even better than the already special F87.

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All this dismay that bimmer owners and enthusiasts are expressing now can be traced to a couple of execs in charge of design language and the direction its headed

It would just be a matter of changing out a couple of chesspieces and.things would seem to level out again, nice looking sleek M cars that give you that sportscar aesthetic,

Look at the i8 , they stick crappy electruc motor in there and instead give us an m8 that looks weird and ugly, imagine a carbon bodied flagship M with the doors going up, theres alot of sinple things they can do

But it seems they are more interested in re-defining what is considered aestheitc and awesome looking to their weird view. Its a fools errand and never gonna happen,
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GI4

Playing a little devil’s advocate here . . .

When I see older 3 and 4 series on the road, I think the same thing. . . those not-so-much-older models are beautiful, noticeably much smaller and reek of BMW architecture.

Watching the soon to be released M3/4 models – front grilles and other architecture aside – I think damn, those things better have huge brakes and roll bars . . . literal tanks that look awkward on a track. I am not a tracker, so the architecture and daily use feature are most relevant to ME. The former is completely prohibitive, but I am certain they will be great sporty sedan/coupe for spirited daily use.

The F87 is the smallest ///M coupe, although still a small tank. As you say, also sits quite high. However, this is all relative. BMW does not make anything that competes with, for example, Porsche when it comes to chassis and associated performance. If that is what you are after, then BMW might very well be dead to you.

However, I think the M2 is still extremely enticing. Still retains architecture AND performance features that BMW enthusiasts have come to appreciate. It is as close to what M4 enthusiasts can get when it comes to expectations. I would not want to take it to a track, as it is just too heavy and loose. But for daily spirited use, I think the M2 is still a great BMW.

Everything known so far suggests BMW is not going to f*ck what they have in the F87 when producing the G87. The S58 and some other tweaks are, I believe, going to make the G87 M2/M2C even better than the already special F87.

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All this dismay that bimmer owners and enthusiasts are expressing now can be traced to a couple of execs in charge of design language and the direction its headed

It would just be a matter of changing out a couple of chesspieces and.things would seem to level out again, nice looking sleek M cars that give you that sportscar aesthetic,

Look at the i8 , they stick crappy electruc motor in there and instead give us an m8 that looks weird and ugly, imagine a carbon bodied flagship M with the doors going up, theres alot of sinple things they can do

But it seems they are more interested in re-defining what is considered aestheitc and awesome looking to their weird view. Its a fools errand and never gonna happen,
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I do not disagree with you . . . BMW has lost its way when comes to the ENTHUSIAST.

However, they are more interested in what 2 billion citizens in China think than, say, 2 million enthusiasts. . . QUANTITY is king at Bimmer HQ.

All said, I think the M2/M2C is what we are left with as enthusiasts and, in my opinion, think the G87 M2/M2C will be great for spirited daily driving.

If it's the track one is after, then probably best to jump ship, or go back in time in the BMW model lineup. The F87 is an unsettled tank, and I'm sure the G87 will not be any different.

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Looks like it might have grown a few inches... hopefully not too much.
Definitely looks like the 2 series has grown in size. Not good.
I am hopeful it's just a few inches longer, and also lighter.
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The couple lines and body looks very good for the new 2 series, just not entirely sure on the front end with those headlights or the rear lights.

We are still in the early stages tho, I'm sure there's more to come and tweaks to be made
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The dimensions actually look really sharp and it seems to stay true to the previous design trend. Not bad!
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Personally, I'm terrified that the next M2 will have the buckteeth of that next M4.

The grille on that m4 is so awful it's indescribable.
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I would be most interested if they made a g87 m2 with 4 doors.
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