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Agree there has been a ton of convergence in character...but only at the M5 level. M3/C63/RS5 are still pretty different. And the RS3 and M2 are both rad as hell and very different, my only sad with RS3 is Audi threw in the towel on the manual The S55 in f8x is a fire-breather, it's awesome I don't care what the internet says and the TT V8 Mercs are holy crap awesome
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While straight-line speed is not what these cars were designed for, it's nice to know where they stand if you ever find yourself on an empty runway.
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I truly believe they are special cars. Its a car I wouldnt mind keeping for 5 years+. The RS4 Quattro does pull like a freight train though! Those were some awesome races.
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Totally. Also, despite the RS4 losing in that video, I still think it's a very badass car.
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12-21-2017, 07:20 AM | #27 |
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i drove both recently as o was in the market for a new (to me) car...and I'm originally an audi guy. my choice? the m3. much more precise, faster, felt better balanced. the rs4's when dynoed were making like 250-270 at the wheels due to carbon buildup. that's ridiculous. obviously quattro eats closer to 20% of your bhp but it supposedly has 420bhp.
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What I gather however, is that this is a sellers market. These E90's have depreciated heavily but I dont see them coming down anytime soon from where they are at. Id still consider it a buyers market. Hoping it'll stay that way in the next year. Cheers!~ |
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I may sound like a dick but no real car guy thinks about the maintenance costs or common failures when buying a car. You buy the car you like and that makes you want to drive it every day no matter the flaws. I bet the costs arent far off over any real stretch of time no matter how you put it, if your buying used which you are your probably going to have unexpected issues from previous buyer so the entire convo is somewhat tossed. bmw's in general will always outrun an audi on a road course, audi's have better interior. The rest is really just opinion.
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Honestly, I don't think you can go wrong with either. I had a '11 E92 M3 prior to my RS4 and they were both great cars. I've always been an Audi guy, and owning an RS4 had always been a dream of mine. Was lucky enough to locate a 'barn find' type of car that wasn't even listed at the time, and it's been great. The two biggest issues have already been mentioned, carbon build-up and the DRC system. You'll definitely wan't to get a nice set of coilovers regardless of if the DRC system had been replaced under recall or not, but the carbon issue is simple to address on a as needed basis. Also as mentioned, the timing chain guides on the RS4 are metal vs. plastic on the S4 so that is not an issue. I found myself missing the torque my previous cars had offered vs the M3, and the RS4 filled that void. The rod bearings weren't as big of a concern for me on my E92 due to it being a later year, but it's definitely something I'd look into on an '08 as you mentioned. Going back to a manual vs the DCT was also nice, feel more connected to the car. I will say though, the Bose audio in the RS4 is pretty shitty, but such is life when you're looking at a ~10 year old car. If you have any more comparison questions, or specific things related to the RS4, I'd be happy to answer them for you. You can also find a pretty thorough RS4 buyers guide here: http://www.schnelllist.com/buyers-gu...de-audi-b7-rs4
Regardless of whatever car you go with, a good PPI and finding a car with a good maintenance history goes a long way in what you might expect to be on the hook for in the long term. There's also a few other threads in this sub-forum on this topic that might be worth a read for some more opinions: http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthr...&highlight=RS4 http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthr...&highlight=RS4
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Seriously though, what a fantastic post. This should keep me busy for the remainder of my day and possibly weekend. All the issues related to the B7 RS4 are all within reason. My main concern is always engine failure or premature fatigiue. The Rod Bearings on the M3... I know it doesnt affect all E90 cars but the stigma lingers. Id much rather replace a couple filters or monitor CBU than wait for my motor to blow up. BTW, @B8bydesign, was there ever a remedy for the CBU? I know the 335d was allso plagued by CBU but was corrected by deleting all the emissions / meth and water injection. Curious as I will be living in an no emission state when I return from overseas. Thanks again everyone. Very cool community despite all the snarky bimmer owner comments im used to hearing or reading |
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Saw this today browsing the web. Right around the mileage I want. The price seems fair, would need more info though.
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You should also keep an eye out on Bring A Trailer since they usually feature an RS4 every month or so. Here's a nifty chart where past car sales prices have been plotted out (you need to add in the 5% "buyer's premium" platform fee which isn't factored in): https://bringatrailer.com/audi/rs4/ Here are a few that seem comparable: https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2007-audi-rs4-8/ https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2007-audi-rs4-7/ And someone got a killer deal here: https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2007-audi-rs4-13/ |
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Price is a little high considering the price on that similar mileage Phantom Black one you linked, but this Avus also appears to be in great shape and also has the Ti package: https://www.ebay.com/itm/2008-Audi-R...xaUxys&vxp=mtr
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Reviving an old thread for anyone interested in continuing this discussion.
Reasons I bought my RS4: V8 Manual AWD If any one of those don't matter much to you, the E9X is probably the better platform (I've owned two E92 M3's). The E9X handles better, but I do enjoy the endless traction in the RS4 too. The downsides have already been discussed but here are the big ones: Carbon buildup DRC (suspension) A lot has been said about the carbon buildup, but at the end of the day, the impact to this is performance, not catastrophic failure, so don't let this be a deterrent. My car went 90k miles without a carbon clean, I had it done, and now is back to like new. Timing chain as mentioned earlier is a fault with the S4, but not with the RS4. For me, the rod bearing issues with the M3 were a much bigger (and expense) concern than anything engine related in the RS4. Especially as these cars begin to age. For those unaware, the same version of this engine was used in early R8's. DRC can be hit or miss, but you're looking at ~$2k to remedy with coilovers, not too bad for a German car. Additionally, the infotainment system is very dated compared to the E9X, and there are less features like hill assist, or the ability to maintain cruise control while shifting between gears. Little stuff, but still a sign that one car (E9X) was at the start of its lifecycle and the other (RS4) was at the end in 2008. At the end of the day I needed a car that could safely take me up icy mountain roads, hold a couple kids, and put a smile on my face. Check, check, check! Car is now 13 years old, and I can honestly say it rattles less than my brand new M2 did and sounds fantastic. I would say it's worth a look if you're in the market for something similar. Not a lot of cars for sale today that comes close. |
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I am an Audi fanatics, i will break it down like this:
RS4 wins: -Exterior styling -Interior styling -Uniqueness -Exhaust note -Quattro of course! M3 wins: -Maintenance -Performance (both engine and suspension) -Induction note So win some and lose some, pretty even i say. One lacks, the other shines and vice versa. On people saying the reliability of the RS4, look up @Fabryce on IG, he used to co-found GMG, check out his high mileage RS4.
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Very good points on both accounts but for me, I wanted to experience Quattro and couldnt get over the special factor the RS4 brings me compared to the M3.
Two years later, I still love driving this thing. It sounds amazing but looks understated at the same time. I would have to disagree on the E9X's exterior aging better. Although I think they both look great, the RS4 and its simplistic and wide hip exterior look will excite even the mature audience as it passes by. |
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Flares never age poorly.
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