2011 E90 M3 or 2015 M235i Help Please...

[Helmsman]

OP, so how did it turn out mate?

[ynotony]

The M3 is a great car, but it is big and heavy which kind of spoils the fun a little bit. The M235i feels a little more pedestrian to drive, but you'll instantly appreciate its size.

If you need to buy a car right now, my advice would be to get the used M3 and in a few years trade it for a used M2. The depreciation of the M235i will eat up any maintenance and fuel savings you'd see, so from a financial standpoint the M3 is actually smarter or at the very least on par. The M2 will combine the best of both cars in my opinion.

Good luck!

[Mjosh]

Originally Posted by Helmsman

OP, so how did it turn out mate?

Hey there!

I'm actually going to test drive both vehicles this weekend to get an idea of what I think would suite me best daily. Unfortunately I'm not able to find a E90 M3 in Manual only E92 M3 at the moment. If I was going to opt for the E9X M3 I really would prefer a sedan but not sure if the driving experience is different from the coupe?

Either way at this point don't really have an option so I give it a shot and see. Will let you know how it turns out.

Thanks!

[FormulaMMM]

If you like the E92 manual, you'll like an E90 manual. You'll have very hard time distinguishing the two from the driver's seat.

To make an informed decision, make sure you rev the E92 all the way out to 8400 in 2nd.

[Scrippy]

I had an 07 335i coupe for 4 years. Loved it! Traded it for my 2011 M3 Coupe. The 335 was great on gas for the power it offered. My M3 gets worse mileage but not by as much as you would think. I live in LA and DD both cars. I average 50,000 miles a year. I can nurse my M3 into getting 20-30mpg. My 335 I could nurse 35-40mpg. If I could have afforded it, I would have got the M3 sooner. Amazing car! The 335 felt more nimble and agile but it ran out of torque after 4,500 RPM. The M feels not sporty but destructive! I paid 39,000 for a M3 loaded coupe with everything, so $45,000 for less is a rip! If you know the car and what it should run like go to Carmax or something other than a BMW dealer. Carmax offers a warranty to 125,000 and it's cheaper than BMW's extended warranty but doesn't cover oil and brakes. Be real bro.....you'll have the gayass 2 and be jealous every time you see a mean ass M3! I was when I had my 335.

[Mjosh]

Hi everyone,

I had the opportunity to test drive both vehicles over the weekend and took account of everyone's replies and suggestions.

I drove the a 2009 e92 manual and like other posts stated I took it to about 7500 rpm. This vehicle is so different when reved high and really comes alive. There is a rawness about this vehicle that is so intoxicating but hard for me to explain... Also the stance and everything about it to me looks just right.

After test driving the e92m I drove a M235i but it was auto so I'm not sure if the comparison is fair. Either way I just was trying to picture myself driving this daily. This vehicle was quicker than I expected, actually seems just as quick as the e92m to me at the moment? The interior and cabin does feel updated as it should being a 2015 model.

Now as for the exterior looks the e9x looks more aggressive and proportional compared to the 235. I honestly like the way e9x exterior looks more. If I had the opportunity to find a decent e90 M3 in manual right now that would be my choice but I can't find one... I wish I could afford a 2015 M3 but I only budgeted for 50K for my next vehicle and need to stay within the guidelines I set for myself.

But again I really wanted to thank everyone for their thoughts and personal experiences because it does help me answer many questions that I've had.

** One last question is there any difference between 2008 - 2013 e9x models other than pricing?

[whats77inaname]

Originally Posted by Mjosh

Hi everyone,** One last question is there any difference between 2008 - 2013 e9x models other than pricing?

2008 = CCC navigation, non LED tail lights, pre-wired for factory alarm if the car doesn't have it installed

2009 - CIC navigation, LED tail lights, no pre-wiring.

You can upgrade the 2008 model parts to the 2009 model parts (the car has to be coded for them to work) except the factory alarm pre-wiring. Upgrading the E90 tail lights requires changing out the trunk lid and the lights, whereas the E92 only requires the lights.

[Honda]

Originally Posted by whats77inaname

2008 = CCC navigation, non LED tail lights, pre-wired for factory alarm if the car doesn't have it installed

2009 - CIC navigation, LED tail lights, no pre-wiring.

You can upgrade the 2008 model parts to the 2009 model parts (the car has to be coded for them to work) except the factory alarm pre-wiring. Upgrading the E90 tail lights requires changing out the trunk lid and the lights, whereas the E92 only requires the lights.

hmmm..you are missing alot of info man

e90
2008 - pre LCI
2009+ - LCI (nav, tailights)
2011 - Comp pkg offered only this year

e92/e93
2008-2010 pre LCI tail light
2009+ LCI (nav)
2011+ LCI tailight+nav + comp pkg offered

Now if you are considering buying a 2008 model and then do the above upgrades, I say rethink again because upgrading nav will cost you at least $2000, LCI tailights will cost you 680 + programming (200-300) about 1000k in total if e92. If it is e90 you have to change the trunk which will cost another additional...comp pkg another story...

What I am trying to say is if you like the 2009+ model, then just go for 2009 and don't buy pre-lci model as it will end up costing you more than a 2009 model...

Good luck with your new car

[whats77inaname]

Originally Posted by e90-335i

hmmm..you are missing alot of info man

e90
2008 - pre LCI
2009+ - LCI (nav, tailights)
2011 - Comp pkg offered only this year

e92/e93
2008-2010 pre LCI tail light
2009+ LCI (nav)
2011+ LCI tailight+nav + comp pkg offered

Now if you are considering buying a 2008 model and then do the above upgrades, I say rethink again because upgrading nav will cost you at least $2000, LCI tailights will cost you 680 + programming (200-300) about 1000k in total if e92. If it is e90 you have to change the trunk which will cost another additional...comp pkg another story...

What I am trying to say is if you like the 2009+ model, then just go for 2009 and don't buy pre-lci model as it will end up costing you more than a 2009 model...

Good luck with your new car

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmm, the only thing I didn't include was the comp package, but I can't say that's "a lot". Regarding the costs:
a) upgrading the CIC is running about $1300-$1500 now, and that's including coding.
b) regarding the lci E92 conversion, BMW of Morristown, NJ sells these brand new with the necessary adapters for pre-lci for $529 shipped, not $680+. Used sets are going for ~$400. And coding for these isn't $200-$300, especially not when combined with other coded features. I had mine done by Benvo and it was quite a bit less than that.

Less information is better than misinformation

[Honda]

Originally Posted by whats77inaname

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmm, the only thing I didn't include was the comp package, but I can't say that's "a lot". Regarding the costs:
a) upgrading the CIC is running about $1300-$1500 now, and that's including coding.
b) regarding the lci E92 conversion, BMW of Morristown, NJ sells these brand new with the necessary adapters for pre-lci for $529 shipped, not $680+. Used sets are going for ~$400. And coding for these isn't $200-$300, especially not when combined with other coded features. I had mine done by Benvo and it was quite a bit less than that.

Less information is better than misinformation

I did not provide any mis information buddy. All of what I mentioned is brand new parts you should read my post carefully before posting useless comments. Plus where can you find lci taillights for 400?!! Stop making up prices as I didnt see a single one for 400 used. I saw one used for 450 but got sold within 5 min.

[whats77inaname]

Originally Posted by e90-335i

I did not provide any mis information buddy. All of what I mentioned is brand new parts you should read my post carefully before posting useless comments. Plus where can you find lci taillights for 400?!! Stop making up prices as I didnt see a single one for 400 used. I saw one used for 450 but got sold within 5 min.

*sigh* Who buys an LCI navi upgrade brand new? If one does, it's well PAST $2000, so you *have* to be talking about used, which directly contrasts with your comment of

Originally Posted by e90-335i

All of what I mentioned is brand new parts....

. But, I'll play

Originally Posted by e90-335i

LCI tailights will cost you 680 + programming (200-300) about 1000k in total if e92.

BMW of Morristown has them brand new for $529 shipped www.ebay.com/itm/171729879824
If one is feeling froggy, coding can be done on your own http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=451145

Originally Posted by e90-335i

Plus where can you find lci taillights for 400?!! Stop making up prices as I didnt see a single one for 400 used.

www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1097647

[Mjosh]

Thanks for the info in regards to then different years. I'm surprised that people know that much detailed info between the years!!

Looks like if anything going for 2009 an up would be the better choice.

Thanks again for all the help!

[Japanese_Racer]

Awesome thread! I went through nearly the same dilemma when choosing between M235i vs. E90 M3. What made my decision harder was the M235i's were fresh from the docks and the particular E90 M3 I was looking at was a unicorn (2011.75 AW/FR 6MT ZCP). Needless to say I chose the latter and never looked back... and trust me I play in 405 traffic from time to time...

OP if you are concerned with the 6MT transmission feel in the M235i just go test drive a 6MT F30 335i, they share the same transmission! Good luck!

[loveskiing]

My feeling is if you got to ask you shouldn't be driving the M3

[Helmsman]

Originally Posted by Mjosh

Hi everyone,

I had the opportunity to test drive both vehicles over the weekend and took account of everyone's replies and suggestions.

I drove the a 2009 e92 manual and like other posts stated I took it to about 7500 rpm. This vehicle is so different when reved high and really comes alive. There is a rawness about this vehicle that is so intoxicating but hard for me to explain... Also the stance and everything about it to me looks just right.

After test driving the e92m I drove a M235i but it was auto so I'm not sure if the comparison is fair. Either way I just was trying to picture myself driving this daily. This vehicle was quicker than I expected, actually seems just as quick as the e92m to me at the moment? The interior and cabin does feel updated as it should being a 2015 model.

Now as for the exterior looks the e9x looks more aggressive and proportional compared to the 235. I honestly like the way e9x exterior looks more. If I had the opportunity to find a decent e90 M3 in manual right now that would be my choice but I can't find one... I wish I could afford a 2015 M3 but I only budgeted for 50K for my next vehicle and need to stay within the guidelines I set for myself.

But again I really wanted to thank everyone for their thoughts and personal experiences because it does help me answer many questions that I've had.

** One last question is there any difference between 2008 - 2013 e9x models other than pricing?

Hi Mjosh,

nice to hear that you got the opportunity to test both. Your short description is spot on to what I felt testing the M235i. Yes it is basically as fast which also according to the spec (i.e. 4.7 for my E90 vs 4.8s to 100km/h). Once you get up to speed the M3 leave the 235 slightly behind though. And yes again, the M3 is certainly much much more "raw" and with the engine and transmission noises coming on top. THIS is what you need to enjoy well enough to pay the premium bro. If not, better go with the lower cost M235.

Oh, being a manual guy for decades and yet crazy enjoy the DCT, I would re consider the non MYT being an issue.

Good luck

[Z K]

I drove the M235i in manual. The transmission feels a lot more direct and easier to drive than than the M3. The M3's transmission feels notchy and not as precise.

But as for a daily driver and you get stuck in traffic, I would pick an automatic over the manual every day. LA traffic can get pretty bad (30 minutes to go 1 mile) and I've been stuck in it in a manual car before - my left leg really hurt and it was a painful experience. People who live outside of California can not relate to how bad traffic is. You can literally get out and walk faster than driving sometimes.

For your daily driver, I'd say the M235i is definitely a better choice whether you get manual or not. I have two cars so I reserve the M3 for more fun trips on open roads and weekend track days.

[kaede]

OP, out of both vehicles, as mentioned by previous responses from other members, go with the one you have the urge of getting. Both is a fantastic vehicle and you couldn't really go wrong.

Other things you might want to consider is the resale value. The E9x M3 will definitely have a better resell value than the M235i. Whoever bought it already took the hit on the initial depreciation where as if you get the M235i brand new, you'll be taking the hit.

Also, if you LOVE the M3, but just couldn't find a right E90 M3 for the moment, maybe consider option #3! Get a beater or something that you can have fun with for less money, and wait for the E90 M3 to show up! Personally speaking, the E90 M3 does NOT have the stance and aethetics as the E92 especially from the rear (the rear end is very minimalist and not as aggressive as the E92). However, all in all when side by side with a normal E90 non-m3, it is still spectacular. I personally too prefer the E90 for the 4 door look and the rarity.

The new turbo'ed BMWs are insanely comfortable on the road. Loads of Torque and Power that makes the M3 seems "slow". If your driving characteristics are for short bursts of unrivaled power and not revving the engine out, then the M235i is a no brainer, very very good vehicle. Personally, i will wait for the M2 (if it ever comes out with one, pretty sure they will... bmw have M vehicles for all besides the 7 xD). Cheers and let us know! Good Luck!

[Mjosh]

Originally Posted by Japanese_Racer

Awesome thread! I went through nearly the same dilemma when choosing between M235i vs. E90 M3. What made my decision harder was the M235i's were fresh from the docks and the particular E90 M3 I was looking at was a unicorn (2011.75 AW/FR 6MT ZCP). Needless to say I chose the latter and never looked back... and trust me I play in 405 traffic from time to time...

OP if you are concerned with the 6MT transmission feel in the M235i just go test drive a 6MT F30 335i, they share the same transmission! Good luck!

Hey there,

I'd thought I was the only crazy one cross shopping these two vehicles... Very different however both great in their own ways!!

[Mjosh]

Originally Posted by Helmsman

Hi Mjosh,

nice to hear that you got the opportunity to test both. Your short description is spot on to what I felt testing the M235i. Yes it is basically as fast which also according to the spec (i.e. 4.7 for my E90 vs 4.8s to 100km/h). Once you get up to speed the M3 leave the 235 slightly behind though. And yes again, the M3 is certainly much much more "raw" and with the engine and transmission noises coming on top. THIS is what you need to enjoy well enough to pay the premium bro. If not, better go with the lower cost M235.

Oh, being a manual guy for decades and yet crazy enjoy the DCT, I would re consider the non MYT being an issue.

Good luck

Hi Helmsman,

Thanks for confirming because I thought I was out of my mind... No way these two feels the same but at that moment I was trying to talk myself out of it but couldn't.

I decided to take delivery of the 235 I ordered to my specs due to what you stated lower cost and also there was not a E90 M3 available in manual in decent condition. At this point I already sold my Mk7 Gti and was driving a rental so didn't want to keep renting a car until the right E90 M3 came around...

Thanks for your inputs!!

[Mjosh]

Originally Posted by Z K

I drove the M235i in manual. The transmission feels a lot more direct and easier to drive than than the M3. The M3's transmission feels notchy and not as precise.

But as for a daily driver and you get stuck in traffic, I would pick an automatic over the manual every day. LA traffic can get pretty bad (30 minutes to go 1 mile) and I've been stuck in it in a manual car before - my left leg really hurt and it was a painful experience. People who live outside of California can not relate to how bad traffic is. You can literally get out and walk faster than driving sometimes.

For your daily driver, I'd say the M235i is definitely a better choice whether you get manual or not. I have two cars so I reserve the M3 for more fun trips on open roads and weekend track days.

Your absolutely correct traffic is horrible and when it gets bad it gets really bad!!

I decided to go with the 235 and finally got to test one in manual. Unfortunate it had to be the one I ordered back in January but either way I'm happy with the way it came out.

Your correct sometimes walking is faster

Thanks for your input!!

[Mjosh]

Originally Posted by kaede

OP, out of both vehicles, as mentioned by previous responses from other members, go with the one you have the urge of getting. Both is a fantastic vehicle and you couldn't really go wrong.

Other things you might want to consider is the resale value. The E9x M3 will definitely have a better resell value than the M235i. Whoever bought it already took the hit on the initial depreciation where as if you get the M235i brand new, you'll be taking the hit.

Also, if you LOVE the M3, but just couldn't find a right E90 M3 for the moment, maybe consider option #3! Get a beater or something that you can have fun with for less money, and wait for the E90 M3 to show up! Personally speaking, the E90 M3 does NOT have the stance and aethetics as the E92 especially from the rear (the rear end is very minimalist and not as aggressive as the E92). However, all in all when side by side with a normal E90 non-m3, it is still spectacular. I personally too prefer the E90 for the 4 door look and the rarity.

The new turbo'ed BMWs are insanely comfortable on the road. Loads of Torque and Power that makes the M3 seems "slow". If your driving characteristics are for short bursts of unrivaled power and not revving the engine out, then the M235i is a no brainer, very very good vehicle. Personally, i will wait for the M2 (if it ever comes out with one, pretty sure they will... bmw have M vehicles for all besides the 7 xD). Cheers and let us know! Good Luck!

Hi Kaede,

You read my mind! Both vehicles are great in their own ways but characteristics are so different. Wish I could go for the M2 or even new M3 but my 50k budget wouldn't support either... If I had the opportunity of a decent used E90 M3 manual I would of jumped on it right away but too bad I didn't have that choice.

Settled on the 235 I ordered and now just enjoy what I chose. Appreciate your input as well as everyone else's because it did answer a lot of my questions! Cheers!

[car_fan]

Originally Posted by M3 n X5M

I'll give the OP my personal take on this:

These are two totally different cars.

The M235i is years ahead in many areas...
The M3 has a soul you cannot ever escape when you enter the car, and the gratification is magical when you get the V8, tail-happy feeling of rev matching out of corners etc.
The M3 is a WOW car. Simply put, a very fun sports car. The M3is not entirely easy to coax into bad behavior. However, when you do, well you do.

OP, it sounds to me like inside your mind, you already want one of these two cars more than the other. Which one is it? Based on that answer, that is what you should get.

If you always wanted an M car then get the M3 now. If you were impartial, like those who are impartial to manual versus auto, or inline engine versus transverse, or FWD vs. RWD then get the 235i, the hassle-free of the two. The M235i is new, has 4 years of warranty and service waiting for you... etc etc.

I once had an M3 and then had an accident, and lost my beloved M3. One year later, I moved earth and sky and got another M3.

When it comes to an M3, I believe it just depends on what you WANT. Not really what you need. The M3 is not a need car. It is a want car.

Very well stated