Another rod bearing story

[gatorfast]

Im with others saying why on earth would carmax fix your car which wasnt broken? Maybe in your opinion it sounded like something was wrong but it was still running fine.

[Scrippy]

Originally Posted by 8600RPM

Srory but if your car drove to 3 different dealers and the 85 miles home than you weren't hearing rod knock. It was pure coincidence, oil or weather. Bearings ticking away ready to fail don't last that long.

Sorry but you were paranoid and blew 2300 bucks. No court or judge would ever grant you a thing here as it was you who has decided a part was about to fail with no evidence.

Yeah no your right bud.....it didn't sound that bad. When you drove it sounded more like.......what the fuck are you talking about. So you've heard the knock that was coming from my car? You experienced the drive? Didn't think so but now your Miss Cleo sense tells you this? This is one of the best ones (reply) yet. You've never heard, driven or seen my car but you know more than me regarding what repairs are and aren't needed. Your right man, those bearings look great.....the noise that is no longer present after the work must have been something else. Thanx for clarifying this for me. Maybe I'll bring this up to my mechanic when he looks at my flex capacitor later this week. I'm hitting 88 miles an hour but not going back to the future. Can you help me with that one too bud?

[Scrippy]

Thank you for the comments people. I do appreciate them whether or not we agree.

[LiM3y]

Nothing broke, so there's no warranty claim. Was it ticking when you bought it?

[Scrippy]

Originally Posted by LiM3y

Nothing broke, so there's no warranty claim. BTW, was it ticking when you bought it?

Not at first. I noticed it after the 5 day point.

[rcracin]

Originally Posted by whats77inaname

I always *smh* when people say that about a part that shouldn't be wearing at all.

Why shouldn't bearings wear on a high performance & high revving motor? It's all in the game of having a very high performance motor.

[Scrippy]

Originally Posted by rcracin

Why shouldn't bearings wear on a high performance & high revving motor? It's all in the game of having a very high performance motor.

You are correct. The noise was very subtle but was much louder 3 weeks later. This is why I did it. My opinion in this issue is....noise intensity corresponds to damage. Being that mine was never allowed to get worse and they look like this, is the reason I posted my pictures.

[tdott]

What are those numbers beside each bearing?

Was the clearance checking before removal? or was that the clearance with the new bearings?

I am not surprised a warranty company won't cover a bearing change, the ticking noise is a sign that something is about to go, but from their perspective nothing has happened yet. They wouldn't have covered anything until the bearing had spun and damaged the engine. That's how warranty works...

While they do show wear, there are no signs of any pulls or signs of a bearing about to spin. That kind of thing is hard to predict, it could have been 1mile or 10,000 miles before something happened.

I am a bit surprised there was a noise with just that kind of bearing wear, but I'm no expert.

[Scrippy]

Can I post videos from my PC? My phone app won't let me. I want you guys to hear me pull up my driveway and in my garage days before the repair.

[Scrippy]

Originally Posted by tdott

What are those numbers beside each bearing?

Was the clearance checking before removal? or was that the clearance with the new bearings?

I am not surprised a warranty company won't cover a bearing change, the ticking noise is a sign that something is about to go, but from their perspective nothing has happened yet. They wouldn't have covered anything until the bearing had spun and damaged the engine. That's how warranty works...

While they do show wear, there are no signs of any pulls or signs of a bearing about to spin. That kind of thing is hard to predict, it could have been 1mile or 10,000 miles before something happened.

I am a bit surprised there was a noise with just that kind of bearing wear, but I'm no expert.

You are correct however the failures you speak of occur if left in a poor state and not addressed. The issue doesn't just pop up on level 10 unless you track all the time. My daily driver would've taken way longer to fail in some way. That's why ignorance is the nay sayer's problem.

[nthretourNAFTW]

Originally Posted by 8600RPM

How do you know the bearings were causing a problem? They don't even look very worn. You assumed a ticking sound was bearings. Could have been the wrong oil they put in for all you know

Think people are really getting crazy about their bearings

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Originally Posted by s85e90

no warranty or insurance will EVER cover preventative work and this was just that. This was maintenance. If it ain't broke. And also, every m3 sounds like a sewing machine. Those looked ok.

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Originally Posted by 8600RPM

Srory but if your car drove to 3 different dealers and the 85 miles home than you weren't hearing rod knock. It was pure coincidence, oil or weather. Bearings ticking away ready to fail don't last that long.

Sorry but you were paranoid and blew 2300 bucks. No court or judge would ever grant you a thing here as it was you who has decided a part was about to fail with no evidence.

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Originally Posted by SenorFunkyPants

Nothing in the photo indicates any problem with them or that they could be a cause of engine noise.
Going on feedback from Clevite on other bearing sets they would class that level of wear as normal.

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Originally Posted by gatorfast

Im with others saying why on earth would carmax fix your car which wasnt broken? Maybe in your opinion it sounded like something was wrong but it was still running fine.

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Those bearing look like normal wear to me also. You are a victim of paranoia and wasted $2,300 on unecessary preventive work. The s65 requires specific 10W60 oil as you know (or 0W40 oil). Carmax has contracts with wholesale cheap oil suppliers. They don't buy less common oil (and expensive 10W60 oil) and are stingy as hell every cent they spend if to make the sell and keep the sold cars running long enough out of their 90 days warranty. It's the only reason they systematically change oil.

I found this written by an ex-carmax employee :

"Carmax keeps all the records on cars. I worked there. They also are one of the shadiest companies I've ever worked for. At least at some little dealer you know they are lying, but Carmax acts like they do all kinds of inspections and service, but they don't. The only thing they always do is oil changes. A lot of times they will do air filters too. Other then that they only replace something if it is out of spec or they can't hide it. [...] I have actually witnessed them spraying undercoating on clamp marks (frame damage) to hide it. While I worked there I saw two buyers sue them for selling frame damaged cars. "

Below is a normal appearance engine bearing wear (according to engine bearing specialists):
Uniform wear pattern over approximately 2/3 of the bearing’s surface. Wear should diminish near the parting line ends of the bearing, and the wear pattern should extend uniformly across the bearing in the axial direction. Your bearings fit in that category and show no abnormal wear.

Conclusion : Another wrongly diagnosed bearing paranoia thread.

[tdott]

Originally Posted by Scrippy

Can I post videos from my PC? My phone app won't let me. I want you guys to hear me pull up my driveway and in my garage days before the repair.

You can upload the video to youtube and then most the link here.

[Scrippy]

Originally Posted by tdott

You can upload the video to youtube and then most the link here.

Gotcha, thanks!

[Scrippy]

Originally Posted by nthretourNAFTW

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Those bearing look like normal wear to me also. You are a victim of paranoia and wasted $2,300 on unecessary preventive work. The s65 requires specific 10W60 oil as you know (or 0W40 oil). Carmax has contracts with wholesale cheap oil suppliers. They don't buy less common oil (and expensive 10W60 oil) and are stingy as hell every cent they spend if to make the sell and keep the sold cars running long enough out of their 90 days warranty. It's the only reason they systematically change oil.

I found this written by an ex-carmax employee :

"Carmax keeps all the records on cars. I worked there. They also are one of the shadiest companies I've ever worked for. At least at some little dealer you know they are lying, but Carmax acts like they do all kinds of inspections and service, but they don't. The only thing they always do is oil changes. A lot of times they will do air filters too. Other then that they only replace something if it is out of spec or they can't hide it. [...] I have actually witnessed them spraying undercoating on clamp marks (frame damage) to hide it. While I worked there I saw two buyers sue them for selling frame damaged cars. "

Below is a normal appearance engine bearing wear (according to engine bearing specialists):
Uniform wear pattern over approximately 2/3 of the bearing’s surface. Wear should diminish near the parting line ends of the bearing, and the wear pattern should extend uniformly across the bearing in the axial direction. Your bearings fit in that category and show no abnormal wear.

Conclusion : Another wrongly diagnosed bearing paranoia thread.

Appreciate the info but the first thing I did when I brought the car home was change the air filter, oil and filter and cabin filters. I used 10-60 from my local BMW. I let it drain over night too. I keep hearing a lot of excuses but not one person who thinks unintentional ticks out of a motor that lead to rods blowing out the side of the block as being normal.

[BPMSport]

I can't imagine you ever recovering the money you spent replacing the bearings with a lawsuit. What you did was preventative maintenance in my opinion (aside from the fact that bearings shouldn't really fall into this type of category). The warranty company has no obligation to you unless there was an actual failure. A noise that you think is abnormal doesn't necessarily signify, beyond a reasonable doubt, that this motor wouldn't have continued to function without issues through the warranty period. That coupled with how the bearings look - better than most of them I've seen, are going to make your chances of recovery impossible.

If I were you, I would chalk this up as something you wanted to replace, and not make this a legal matter. I think that will just be a waste of time and thrown out of court if you decide to pursue it.

That said, I'm glad the noise is better and hope your s65 continues to purr for years to come.

[Scrippy]

Originally Posted by Mike Benvo

I can't imagine you ever recovering the money you spent replacing the bearings with a lawsuit. What you did was preventative maintenance in my opinion (aside from the fact that bearings shouldn't really fall into this type of category). The warranty company has no obligation to you unless there was an actual failure. A noise that you think is abnormal doesn't necessarily signify, beyond a reasonable doubt, that this motor wouldn't have continued to function without issues through the warranty period. That coupled with how the bearings look - better than most of them I've seen, are going to make your chances of recovery impossible.

If I were you, I would chalk this up as something you wanted to replace, and not make this a legal matter. I think that will just be a waste of time and thrown out of court if you decide to pursue it.

That said, I'm glad the noise is better and hope your s65 continues to purr for years to come.

Thanks for the advice man.

[Petros]

Originally Posted by rcracin

Why shouldn't bearings wear on a high performance & high revving motor? It's all in the game of having a very high performance motor.

Because they don't. That's the way it is. And S65 is not a very high performance motor.

[heart_doctor]

Originally Posted by Scrippy

So I bought my M3 with 40,000 on the clock and a rod bearing issue. Didn't realize it until I had the car a week. Long story short Carmax in Duerte, Ca sucks and denies any issue, so I replaced the bearings securing bolts on my dime and now my motor purrs like a lil kitten on crack again! I just wanted to post this with pictures of my bearings because they didn't look all that bad but the ticking was present from idle to 1,800-2000 RPM under light load. Kevin at European Auto Source made everything super easy and it only took 3 days for the bearings and KW HAS kit install. I highly recommend them to anyone in the Southern California area. Especially after my local BMW dealer quoted me $7,000+!

They don't look that bad ....

[Petros]

Originally Posted by heart_doctor

They don't look that bad ....

They look plenty bad enough for a car with such low mileage

[Scrippy]

Originally Posted by heart_doctor

They don't look that bad ....

AGAIN.....this is why I posted. The noise was annoying and embarrassing. For the noise to be so prevalent yet the bearings look pretty good, shows us how finicky this engine is and I thought it would show those who think this is hype....ITS NOT. Some people are just unlucky and I believe it's random how the assembler was feeling when they put our motors together on a particular day. The S65 is pretty much hand built and not part of the robotics assembly.

[regular guy]

When did burden of proof in civil court become "beyond reasonable doubt?" I always thought it was "a preponderance of evidence" -- which is a much lower standard than beyond reasonable doubt.

[Scrippy]

Originally Posted by regular guy

When did burden of proof in civil court become "beyond reasonable doubt?" I always thought it was "a preponderance of evidence" -- which is a much lower standard than beyond reasonable doubt.

Agreed and that is why I posted the exhaust leak question. That would've been fixed based off audible noise. It's not my concern that one example is a bigger job to fix than the other. Fact is.....both examples are excessive accidental noise, that shows failure of a part.