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Exactly what the e46 people said when the e9x platform went with a v8
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No big surprise. I buy the rumor. And of course it will not be called the N55...
The engine will have a more power, a lot more torque, not as high of a redline, substantially better throttle response than the 335i but not as good as the E92. It WILL solidly best the current car in any performance metric any of us care about. It will also loose on sound compared to the current car. These points car be virtually guaranteed. Quote:
You can't really believe that the only differences between the new top 3er and the new M3 will be a tune and and M badge. Look at the current compare/contrast and ignore entirely the engine. I forget the official stat but something like 80% of the parts are different.
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If true they can kiss one customer goodbye.
I think BMW is doing alot of research on what engine to put in the newer m3. m3 is top seller in the m division and they all know most buyers are fanatics. A wrong engine can lose ALOT of customers. Honestly, I can careless right now though, were talking about a car thats coming out in 3 years. |
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Too much speculation going on here, fact is nobody knows what motor the next gen M3 will be getting, and IMO BMW doesn't even know.
All I do know is the next gen Audi RS5 is getting a 490hp 4.0 bi-turbo V8 and Mercedes AMG brands are getting bi-turbo 5.5 V8's. Do you really think BMW would take themselves out of the running by using a V6? Anyways, bi-turbo V8 setup would give the next gen M3 a much needed torque boost which would allow for higher gearing thus greatly improving gas mileage, which at this point is the main concern for many auto manufacturers. He'll, the new Audi 4.2 V8 in the heavy ass A8 is getting nearly 30 mpg. I envision BMW sticking with the V8.
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And the winner is the N55 based engine ... only because it is the cheapest choise that fullfill the requirement! THAT IT IS !!! Uli_HH |
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Sad but true. I heard the same. Bye Bye V8.
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LOL @ all the Leslie Nielsen quotes.
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While the 5.5L V8 seems a shoe in for the next C63, that is not guaranteed yet either. Remember, AMG has used a supercharged V6 in the C-class AMG before. And rumors suggest that Mercedes is working on a new V6 with forced induction to eventually replace the current 3.5L N/A V6. All of their other engines now use forced induction, after all (every I4, V8 and V12). So an AMG version of that motor is still very much a possibility in the future as well. Quote:
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FI I an easy way to get big v8 power with I6/v6 economy. Besides I'm pretty sure most of the market could care less bout what engine it has. We forum people don't really represent a huge chunk of the market.
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but i bet you once the engine is shared with the 3 series that 80% will drop to 50% or even less i'd agree to everything you said it we were talking about the 335 sharing parts with other models means more profit but with the M3, why not just make specialized parts, and reflect that in the price? i mean i'm not asking for an M3 at 335 money i am willing to pay more for an M3 but i can justify it by thinking ok i am paying more but i know i get special brakes, engine, suspension, etc it's like trying to sell me a rolex that's built on a timex platform, but still charging me thousands i'd only be paying money for the ROLEX name
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I actually like the idea of N55 for next M3. That will make feel even better about my S65.
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If they can shave off 500+ lbs, be my guest and use a TT 6-cyl. The M3 is a bloated monster right now. I just picked my ED up from the dealer a week ago, and I'm in love with it, but it's just so fat.
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Wishful thinking but not going to happen. If history truly repeats itself, the next gen M3 could go over 4000 pounds.
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In other words, wheels, suspension, brakes, differential, most of the other chassis components for that matter, body panels, interior materials, will all be M3-specific. And this will include probably more carbon fiber used for the M3 than just the roof like it is today. So don't sweat the shared engine architecture. The F10 has a V8 that is based on the one in the 550i, but it will make close to 200hp more. I don't think we are going to hear any complaints (other than the loss of the V10 which was going to happen no matter what engine the M5 ended up with). |
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Bad thing about a 6 cyl T is that there won't be much room for growth. Stretch its power out much more and you're closing in on overstressing unless they stroke it and lower the redline.
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I don't buy the TT V8 rumors either. They'd want to give some excuse for customers to step up to the 6 series coupe. I6TTT makes more sense. Audi already ditched the V8 for a blown 6 in the S4 for the same reasons.
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