BMW M3 Forum (E90 E92)

BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read


Go Back   M3Post - BMW M3 Forum > M3 (E90 / E92 / E93) > M3 vs....
 
Lease SwApp
Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      07-30-2018, 01:51 PM   #89
Dave07997S
Brigadier General
397
Rep
3,583
Posts

Drives: 2013 BMW M3 ZCP Coupe
Join Date: May 2009
Location: El Segundo, CA

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by radiantm3 View Post
My current S2000 and previous Cayman GT4 honestly have way more of that connection to the car than my E92 M3 or GT350 ever did. I really love my GT350, but it honestly just feels way too big and heavy to be enjoyed as a dedicated track car. But that's probably because I have an S2000 that's set up so well and is a freaking complete joy to drive on a race track. Lighter/smaller cars are just way more fun in the corners. I really enjoy my GT350 on the street though.



Here's my GT350 on track last week...1 session before my oil filter backed out and dumped oil on the track for half a mile. I had my break-in oil change done at the dealership because it was free, but either they didn't torque the filter down to spec (they said they did), or its a design problem (ford also changed the filter design to a cartridge style a few months after my car was built). My car seems to run fine, but it ran with low oil pressure as I was slowing the car down. I'm trying to get Ford to give me an extended warranty on the motor because of this mishap. Car is less than a year old and only has 5k miles on it.

Holy Shit!! I am so glad you didn't get hurt bro. I remember you from the E46 M3 days on Roadfly...
__________________
2013 M3 Coupe-MR/BLK ZCP, ACM test pipes, BPM Stg2 dev. tune and Megan catback, AFE Stg2. with C/F elbow VMRV810 19x10&19X11 275/295 Mich PSS.
Previous rides: 2011 M3 Coupe-MR/Blk
2007 Porsche 997C2S Speed Yellow/Blk sport seats
2004 BMW M3 Imola/Blk
Appreciate 0
      07-30-2018, 01:54 PM   #90
radiantm3
Apex Everything!
radiantm3's Avatar
United_States
694
Rep
4,376
Posts

Drives: 2007 Honda S2000, 2017 GT350
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Cedar Park, TX

iTrader: (6)

Garage List
2011 E92 M3  [4.67]
2014 BMW i3  [5.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave07997S View Post
Holy Shit!! I am so glad you didn't get hurt bro. I remember you from the E46 M3 days on Roadfly...
Never had an E46 though there's still a chance in the future. I was pretty active here with my E92 though.
__________________
2011 E92 M3(Sold). 2007 Honda S2000 (Track Car). 2016 Cayman GT4 (Sold). 2017 Shelby GT350 (AKA Crowd Killer).

My pet project: https://stickershift.com
Appreciate 0
      07-30-2018, 03:24 PM   #91
Dave07997S
Brigadier General
397
Rep
3,583
Posts

Drives: 2013 BMW M3 ZCP Coupe
Join Date: May 2009
Location: El Segundo, CA

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by radiantm3 View Post
Never had an E46 though there's still a chance in the future. I was pretty active here with my E92 though.
So sorry man, I thought for sure you were on the Roadfly days. Must have confused you with someone else. Yes I have seen you on here for quite sometime.

Dave
__________________
2013 M3 Coupe-MR/BLK ZCP, ACM test pipes, BPM Stg2 dev. tune and Megan catback, AFE Stg2. with C/F elbow VMRV810 19x10&19X11 275/295 Mich PSS.
Previous rides: 2011 M3 Coupe-MR/Blk
2007 Porsche 997C2S Speed Yellow/Blk sport seats
2004 BMW M3 Imola/Blk
Appreciate 0
      07-30-2018, 04:59 PM   #92
Richbot
Brigadier General
1059
Rep
4,078
Posts

Drives: Jerez Black E90
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: STL

iTrader: (3)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave07997S View Post
Correct, they also fixed this for the 2017 cars as all cars now get the tranny and diffy coolers. Should have came like this from the get go..

However, I don't like where this is going for Ford. Its not just the Mustang. Ford lost money on every Focus RS it sold in the US. There is a huge recall going on for the head gaskets, the warranty issues on these cars has been enormous. Most of the reasoning is not fully baked engineering on these cars. This isn't just affecting the Focus RS, it involves almost all of Fords performance cars. The Fusion Sport, the Ecoboost Mustang they all are having issues with engines letting go. I keep seeing people tune these cars and I think they are nuts. Ford is being hyper-sensitive to aftermarket tuning unless its a Ford Racing tune.

I have a 2017 Ford Escape now for 2 years and it has been flawless, I hope I just didn't jinx myself.

Dave
A brand new appliance-level vehicle not failing is pretty much the bare minimum. Ford had me at hello with the and the GT350 and now here we are a few years later and they're 2000's GM-ing all over themselves. Guys I...I I think I'm a GM guy now.
__________________
Appreciate 0
      07-30-2018, 08:17 PM   #93
last1left
Lieutenant
last1left's Avatar
169
Rep
438
Posts

Drives: e92 M3
Join Date: May 2013
Location: West Coast

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Richbot View Post
A brand new appliance-level vehicle not failing is pretty much the bare minimum. Ford had me at hello with the and the GT350 and now here we are a few years later and they're 2000's GM-ing all over themselves. Guys I...I I think I'm a GM guy now.
Are you kidding?
Appreciate 0
      07-30-2018, 10:18 PM   #94
TTony
First Lieutenant
United_States
76
Rep
360
Posts

Drives: E92 M3, E60 M5, '06 IS350
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: San Jose

iTrader: (1)

Hypersensitivity to aftermarket tunes is one of the biggest (negative!) indicators of quality right there... remember when BMW became sensitive to 335 tunes? It was due to poor quality on the Conti fuel pumps and fuel injectors that were failing on stock cars.
Appreciate 0
      07-31-2018, 08:27 AM   #95
dmk08
Lieutenant General
dmk08's Avatar
United_States
4669
Rep
10,949
Posts

Drives: 4Runner
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Atlanta

iTrader: (19)

Quote:
Originally Posted by TTony View Post
Hypersensitivity to aftermarket tunes is one of the biggest (negative!) indicators of quality right there... remember when BMW became sensitive to 335 tunes? It was due to poor quality on the Conti fuel pumps and fuel injectors that were failing on stock cars.
They are sensitive on the new school F series M car tunes as well. You can extract so much more power out of a turbo car with just a tune that there is a much larger chance of things breaking due to it.
Appreciate 0
      08-08-2018, 08:30 AM   #96
Stronie
Major
Stronie's Avatar
Italy
122
Rep
1,358
Posts

Drives: 2009 Silverstone II E90 M3
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Instagram: @Columbus_s65b40

iTrader: (0)

Great Video by my friend. Check it out. My car had a small appearance at the end.

Weight matters


Last edited by Stronie; 08-08-2018 at 08:31 AM. Reason: Broken Link
Appreciate 0
      09-04-2018, 03:17 AM   #97
RAETD M
Senior Citizen
RAETD M's Avatar
United_States
281
Rep
299
Posts

Drives: F80 M3, E92 M3, Z32 300ZX TT
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: Ventura County, CA

iTrader: (2)

Wasn't in my E92 but I was in my F80 when a Coyote 5.0 GT wanted to play.

Me = 2017 M3 DCT w/Stage 1 flash, have no idea what mods "if any" the Mustang had.

Caught it on my dash cams. Mustang did the honking.

Appreciate 0
      09-13-2018, 11:17 PM   #98
///Mbitions
Second Lieutenant
///Mbitions's Avatar
110
Rep
292
Posts

Drives: 11 e92 M3, 15 TLX sh-awd
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: New Hampshire

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by RAETD M View Post
Wasn't in my E92 but I was in my F80 when a Coyote 5.0 GT wanted to play.

Me = 2017 M3 DCT w/Stage 1 flash, have no idea what mods "if any" the Mustang had.

Caught it on my dash cams. Mustang did the honking.

Wow he might as well be in a Ford Fusion. Missed a shift? It was not even fair
Appreciate 0
      09-14-2018, 02:22 AM   #99
RAETD M
Senior Citizen
RAETD M's Avatar
United_States
281
Rep
299
Posts

Drives: F80 M3, E92 M3, Z32 300ZX TT
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: Ventura County, CA

iTrader: (2)

Quote:
Originally Posted by ///Mbitions View Post
Wow he might as well be in a Ford Fusion. Missed a shift? It was not even fair
We actually did it twice, the first time same outcome but nobody honked so he wanted a rematch. He did the honking the second time.
Appreciate 0
      09-24-2018, 10:59 PM   #100
TTony
First Lieutenant
United_States
76
Rep
360
Posts

Drives: E92 M3, E60 M5, '06 IS350
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: San Jose

iTrader: (1)

Well the Mustang GT PP2 did not fare well in Lightning Lap trials at VIR. Turns out they overheated after 3 laps or less due to lack of cooling systems (on the rear diff I believe was the main culprit).
Appreciate 0
      09-24-2018, 11:49 PM   #101
CarPoor
Private
48
Rep
53
Posts

Drives: 2011 Melbourne Red E90 M3
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Colorado

iTrader: (0)

It also failed law enforcement trials in Australia because it kept going into limp mode I’ve read.
Appreciate 0
      09-25-2018, 08:28 PM   #102
330indy
CCA member
330indy's Avatar
United_States
284
Rep
1,777
Posts

Drives: e46 + e92
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Indy

iTrader: (0)

I want that new 5.0 GT engine.
Will add to the stable, not replace M3
__________________
00 Z3 - Conforti, Magnaflow
02 330i ZSP - Dinan Stage3, Corsa
13 M3 ZCP - Corsa
3 pedals all, Redline fluids
Appreciate 0
      09-28-2018, 12:46 AM   #103
FogCityM3
Colonel
FogCityM3's Avatar
448
Rep
2,387
Posts

Drives: M3 (E90) & Shelby GT350R
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: San Francisco

iTrader: (0)

The lap times of the Mustang GT with PP2 at VIR and Laguna Seca are impressive (on par with the M4 GTS). Yes, the laps aren't repeatable after multiple laps, but a stock E9x M3 had its own issues with the stock brakes and when driven pretty hard in high temps, would limp mode.

As far as the GT350 (speaking of the R version), the Magneride suspension is light years ahead of any M3 for sure stock and vs most coilover setups. The car actually feels lighter and more nimble than the M3, though I think the CF wheels have a lot to do with it, as many people on the Mustang forums have driven both and feel quite a bit of difference with the R. The R in the corners can keep up and in many cases exceed any smaller/lighter car out there, including the GT3, 458s, S2000s, GT4s on tight auto-x type technical tracks like Sonoma (capable of 1:45 lap time stock an extremely fast time for such a technical track). It is extremely easy to drive, nothing unsettles it and it loves being pushed hard, where the steering feel really livens up more as you load it through the corners. It makes sense that with the addition of the Magneride on the PP2, that the lap times improved so much.

Street car wise, the E9x M3 is better. The Magneride can be still be rough and as others mentioned, Mustang interior quality isn't great (but the tech is quite good/functional). M3 is much nicer car to be in daily. Also on the street, the M3 has much better ground clearance, has better steering feel, and is easier to navigate on narrower roads.

Overall I think Ford did a great job with the GTPP2 and for change, an American car has awesome looks. It's an unbelievable value and it makes sense why is world's best selling sports coupe.
Appreciate 0
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:14 AM.




m3post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST