2011 335is: Is anyone else a little pissed?

[alms21]

Originally Posted by lebreeze

Every 335 owner would still prefer a M3. It they deny that they are lying to themselves.

Congrats....you win most uninformed, ignorant post of the week. I'm not going to repeat myself for the third time on this forum as to why that statement is 100% false.

[Dannys M3]

I'm pissed I don't have a HPFP that fails all the time

[footie]

Originally Posted by Kev

The N54 paired with the M-DCT is going to be a monster.

DCT improves the drivability of any engine but the effect it has on FI is more marked. The 335is will be a great package, but to have it looking the part with the M/sport bodykit and interior detailing it will also be an expensive one.

[Trier Germany]

I'm not at all dissapointed, Let them soup up the 335IS whoopy do! I'm still pissed that BMW won't bring the good stuff to the U.S. Market , E-46 CSL soon to Be E-92 M3 GTS.

More M3 drivers will be upset when the little brother arrives in 201?, M1 or 1M or what ever they are gonna call it. Performance wise i think our E-9X M3 will be put to the test against lil bro! Just my 2-cents.


Food for thought I just read the Feb 2010 Sport Auto. It has an article on the 2010 Audi TTRS. This car is within 8 seconds of Our M3's on the Nurburgring and is missing 108HP compared to our heavy overweight 414Hp M3's. In the hands of a good driver that car could embarass alot of M3 drivers on the track?

[Golgothar]

My 335i Coupe
3.0-liter, inline 6-cylinder engine with TwinPower Turbo technology
Rear-wheel drive
See all standard features
Base MSRP $42,650
Space Gray Metallic $550
Black Dakota Leather $0
Aluminum Trim $0
M Sport Package $3,250
• M Sports leather steering wheel with paddle shifters
$100
• 19" M Light Alloy Double-Spoke wheels (Style 225M) with mixed performance tires
$1,000
Premium Package $2,650
STEPTRONIC automatic transmission $1,375
Comfort Access keyless entry $500
Heated front seats $500
Navigation system $2,100
Smartphone Integration $150
iPod and USB adapter $400
Logic7 sound system with Surround Sound and Digital Sound Processing $875
Satellite radio with 1 year subscription $350
Anti-theft alarm system $400
Aerodynamic Kit $1,205
BMW Performance Suspension $1,167
BMW Assist Convenience Plan $199
Destination & Handling: $875
Total MSRP as Built $60,296

So brand new ordered from the dealer we are looking at about what 12k differance brand new between a pretty much loaded 335is and a very well equiped M3?

Thanks but theres a reason i traded my 335 in on my M3 and not the other way around so to answer the OP's question no i am not pissed at all.

[brava09]

12k is small enough for the M3 to be a no-brainer compared to the 335is....especially for a lease.

M3 all the way.

[footie]

Originally Posted by Trier Germany

I'm not at all dissapointed, Let them soup up the 335IS whoopy do! I'm still pissed that BMW won't bring the good stuff to the U.S. Market , E-46 CSL soon to Be E-92 M3 GTS.

More M3 drivers will be upset when the little brother arrives in 201?, M1 or 1M or what ever they are gonna call it. Performance wise i think our E-9X M3 will be put to the test against lil bro! Just my 2-cents.


Food for thought I just read the Feb 2010 Sport Auto. It has an article on the 2010 Audi TTRS. This car is within 8 seconds of Our M3's on the Nurburgring and is missing 108HP compared to our heavy overweight 414Hp M3's. In the hands of a good driver that car could embarass alot of M3 drivers on the track?

Great and all as the TT-RS is, which I might add is pretty special what with that cracking small engine, oh and you forgot to add that the actually weight difference between it and the M3 is only 100kgs and it has an awful 60/40 weight balance to boot but I reckon you are right about the M1, it will really show just how less prepared the M3 is when it comes to venturing on to the track. My guess is that the M1 will be the new daring of the track, able to mix it with the big boys just as the little Ford Escorts of old mixed it with the mighty Mustangs all those years ago.

[graider]

m3 still look better, sound better, don't worry about it.

you can put 500hp in the 335i and i still take the m3. serious

I think the new 335is is due to the new s4. Bmw felt they need to up their game to match/surpase the s4 and I think they did it with this one. Kudo to them. But it aint m3.

[jaehshim]

don't get me wrong, i love the 369lb instant torque and all, it's a great car.
but i dunno why people feel confused about 335is vs M3.
335is, with all that M package and body kit upgrades....is just another 3 series trying to be an M after all.

you'll sit in a 335 watching M3 drive by and always think you should've bought the M3 instead.
you'll sit in an M3 watching 335 drive by and never even think about getting 335 instead.

argument finished.

[graider]

Originally Posted by jaehshim

don't get me wrong, i love the 369lb instant torque and all, it's a great car.
but i dunno why people feel confused about 335is vs M3.
335is, with all that M package and body kit upgrades....is just another 3 series trying to be an M after all.

you'll sit in a 335 watching M3 drive by and always think you should've bought the M3 instead.
you'll sit in an M3 watching 335 drive by and never even think about getting 335 instead.

argument finished.

agree.

[spearfisher]

nice, but still 2 different cars overall

[brava09]

Originally Posted by footie

I reckon you are right about the M1, it will really show just how less prepared the M3 is when it comes to venturing on to the track. My guess is that the M1 will be the new daring of the track, able to mix it with the big boys just as the little Ford Escorts of old mixed it with the mighty Mustangs all those years ago.

+1

The M1 should be the better track car than the M3, as the M3 is the better track car than the M5.

[Trier Germany]

Originally Posted by brava09

+1

The M1 should be the better track car than the M3, as the M3 is the better track car than the M5.

///M division should do one more N/A marvel before emissions and governing bodies tie there hands!

I would love to see the CSL S54 in the new 1 series 360HP N/A high revving inline 6. A turbo motor can't replicate this engine.


Well i'm just dreaming so well wait and see what kind of powerplant the ///M division decides on?

[graider]

they should put the m3 v8 in a new improved version of the m coupe.

[michaeldorian]

Originally Posted by graider

they should put the m3 v8 in a new improved version of the m coupe.

Or just put the GTS engine in a new package M3. That 4.4 would be the perfect engine to please everybody.

450 + 320ish is just what the M3 needs to stand above all. Come on BMW. I know you have it in you. You've done a mid cycle engine refresh before...

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by Gearhead999s

I could not see the point of an E93 M3 for her anyways but then again I have never seen the point of an M3 cab.

I agree your wife does not need an M3. But all you need to do is go drive an M3 cab back to back with a 335i cab to see the point very clearly. Your conclusion will be that the M3 cab is more fun and worth the money. Trust me. Again, your wife won't care, so the 335is is a good choice for her. But you will know the difference very clearly.

[M3ltdown]

i'm not... their cars still dont have the powerdome!


i love that powerdome

[Gearhead999s]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

I agree your wife does not need an M3. But all you need to do is go drive an M3 cab back to back with a 335i cab to see the point very clearly. Your conclusion will be that the M3 cab is more fun and worth the money. Trust me. Again, your wife won't care, so the 335is is a good choice for her. But you will know the difference very clearly.

If I cannot take a high performance car to a trackday in my little world,it serves no purpose to myself.We have had many quick open top cars over the years but they are my wifes cars not mine and I am pretty sure that my wife would like the 335is much more than a M3 with the m-dct with the M's perceived lack of low end punch.I like convertibles as cruising cars but not as a go quick tool.FYI I also have a dislike of 911 cabs so this is not totally directed at E93 M's either.

[adc]

The 335is is more of a marketing exercise than a performance improvement. To understand why, you only need to look at what was improved, and what wasn't.

They increased the power and tweaked the looks, both things that were perfectly fine in the standard 335i Coupe.

But they left unchanged the runflats, suspension and the open diff - when those would be the first things to change in a performance model.

And starting just $5k less than an E90 M3, I think it's ridiculous.

[mkoesel]

I hear you. I was merely saying that there is a very good reason why the M3 cab exists. And while it may not appeal to you, I think you would understand pefectly (I.e. you would absolutely see the point) from behind the wheel of one. The fact that your wife would prefer the 335is to the M3 only further reinforces this point.

Cheers.

Originally Posted by Gearhead999s

If I cannot take a high performance car to a trackday in my little world,it serves no purpose to myself.We have had many quick open top cars over the years but they are my wifes cars not mine and I am pretty sure that my wife would like the 335is much more than a M3 with the m-dct with the M's perceived lack of low end punch.I like convertibles as cruising cars but not as a go quick tool.FYI I also have a dislike of 911 cabs so this is not totally directed at E93 M's either.

[Gearhead999s]

Originally Posted by adc

The 335is is more of a marketing exercise than a performance improvement. To understand why, you only need to look at what was improved, and what wasn't.

They increased the power and tweaked the looks, both things that were perfectly fine in the standard 335i Coupe.

But they left unchanged the runflats, suspension and the open diff - when those would be the first things to change in a performance model.

And starting just $5k less than an E90 M3, I think it's ridiculous.

I just looked at my pricing guide for 2010 model year and there is a difference of $19100 between a 335 cab M sport & a M3 cab with the same options.The $19100 more would have taken a BMW out of consideration for my wife for sure.

[captainaudio]

Originally Posted by Gearhead999s

If I cannot take a high performance car to a trackday in my little world,it serves no purpose to myself.We have had many quick open top cars over the years but they are my wifes cars not mine and I am pretty sure that my wife would like the 335is much more than a M3 with the m-dct with the M's perceived lack of low end punch.I like convertibles as cruising cars but not as a go quick tool.FYI I also have a dislike of 911 cabs so this is not totally directed at E93 M's either.

The solution to that problem is to have an open top car for crusing along with a dedicated track car.

CA