Track forum general chit chat.

omgzirra_exe · 03-08-2022, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by rg1220

I just installed camber plates and I'm planning on doing a string alignment before taking the M3 to a shop to get aligned on a rack to see how close I can get a string alignment. I was thinking of going with a near track-only alignment (driving to track and back home for total of 180 miles) and then doing a string alignment at home to bring it back to a street spec after the weekend. I'll be on Michelin PSS the whole time. Going to be at the Summit Point circuits (x3) and 1 weekend at VIR.

I did see this thread https://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1857338 about using the camber plates and just having different toe depending on what camber setting you're on. I don't mind the extra work on my end which is why I was thinking of doing the string alignments myself before/after each event.

With that said, for a track setup, what's a good camber and total toe to start out with? I was thinking -3.0 camber but wasn't sure about a good toe setting.

0 toe up front is a good start.

i'm 1/8 toe in rear at static. will change under compression..

depends on your tire too. but thats generally my baseline.

rhyary · 03-08-2022, 01:52 PM

I tried many settings but at this point this is what I have settled on:
Front camber -3.5
Rear Camber -2.0 ( can go to -2.2)
Front toe: toe out very close to 0 but not 0
Rear Toe: Toe in. very close to 0 but not 0.

Toe is measured in different scales so not sure how to communicate a number. On mine it is:
Front Toe out .05
Rear Toe in .05

Hope this helps. others have a better grasp on the meaningful of the numbers.

b4hand · 03-08-2022, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by XCUSE_M3

Ran with NASA TX this weekend with the car setup for TT3 on 2019 A's. Car ran strong ended up setting class record at MSRC on the 1.7ccw. Glad to see the cars have so much support from venders and all the builds going on the forums. Here's my quickest lap with a little slow down from the Vette and final turn just due to not wanting to blow it. Still has time just need to keep wheeling.

One day I'll go into ricochet without braking

k_mann · 03-08-2022, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by omgzirra_exe

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Originally Posted by k_mann

Ugh discount called and said the rt660 is back ordered until June, I have a track day mid next month lol. They're offering me the NT01's, but might just cancel and go ECF idk

just go ECF or RS4.

I asked what the case would be if they switched my order to nt01's. The guy was super nice, price matched to the rt660's and gave the better discount that the nt01's have. So ended up getting them cheaper than any of the above I'll take it lol

tsk94 · 03-08-2022, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by rhyary

I tried many settings but at this point this is what I have settled on:
Front camber -3.5
Rear Camber -2.0 ( can go to -2.2)
Front toe: toe out very close to 0 but not 0
Rear Toe: Toe in. very close to 0 but not 0.

Toe is measured in different scales so not sure how to communicate a number. On mine it is:
Front Toe out .05
Rear Toe in .05

Hope this helps. others have a better grasp on the meaningful of the numbers.

0.05"?
Total or per side?

omgzirra_exe · 03-08-2022, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by k_mann

I asked what the case would be if they switched my order to nt01's. The guy was super nice, price matched to the rt660's and gave the better discount that the nt01's have. So ended up getting them cheaper than any of the above I'll take it lol

oh fck yeah thats a deal then.~

XCUSE_M3 · 03-08-2022, 08:58 PM

Man I was happy getting down into the 18's during my last race thinking 17s was a good TT3 target - and then you go and drop a 16 like that! Awesome!!! Was fun watching you guys fight it out all weekend - just a great battle between all four of you.[/QUOTE]

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Man I was happy getting down into the 18's during my last race thinking 17s was a good TT3 target - and then you go and drop a 16 like that! Awesome!!! Was fun watching you guys fight it out all weekend - just a great battle between all four of you.

Sure can't wait for ECR next month are you going to make it out? Personally it's not as great or fun as MSRC and not really any mistakes can happen to ruin a lap but should be a good turn out I hope. Only been there like 3 times on the entire track myself.

Bimmer Barney · 03-08-2022, 10:38 PM

Open face helmet for track days… anyone a fan? My top of the line motorcycle helmet is ready to retire. Been thinking an open face helmet might be nice for a track day but generally I go to the most advanced safest helmet option (I'm a risk manager by trade) and like the idea of HANS device capability down the road.

derbo · 03-08-2022, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Bimmer Barney

Open face helmet for track days… anyone a fan? My top of the line motorcycle helmet is ready to retire. Been thinking an open face helmet might be nice for a track day but generally I go to the most advanced safest helmet option (I'm a risk manager by trade) and like the idea of HANS device capability down the road.

Pretty much all SA2015+ Helmets are pre-drilled for Head restraint devices.

Bell and Zamp makes some cool open face helmets, carbon if you like. I like the open face ones with visors for sun

https://www.simpsonraceproducts.com/...mpson-hybrid-s i've been meaning to buy this so I can have head restraint with the stock 3pt seatbelt.

omgzirra_exe · 03-09-2022, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Bimmer Barney

Open face helmet for track days… anyone a fan? My top of the line motorcycle helmet is ready to retire. Been thinking an open face helmet might be nice for a track day but generally I go to the most advanced safest helmet option (I'm a risk manager by trade) and like the idea of HANS device capability down the road.

i like the open face, you just feel more comfortable imo, just wear a head sock if you dont already lol.

Kelse92 · 03-09-2022, 07:33 AM

I don’t like the open face, when things go flying on the track like dust/rocks/debris the last thing you want is that stuff to get in your eyes

roastbeef · 03-09-2022, 07:44 AM

Same. I had a pretty sizable piece of tire slag fly into the car and wedge between my face and the helmet. Now I roll with the visor down.

Richbot · 03-09-2022, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Kelse92

I don’t like the open face, when things go flying on the track like dust/rocks/debris the last thing you want is that stuff to get in your eyes

If our slightly silly US safety rules were less silly about windows being up at a track day, this would be less of a problem. But, yes. The full face is not for when things are going well, it's for things are upside down and on fire

VicS5 · 03-09-2022, 09:22 AM

That's the same reason for the windows down rule. Windows won't budge after the power is cut or mechanism damaged.

PrimeBMW · 03-09-2022, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by roastbeef

Same. I had a pretty sizable piece of tire slag fly into the car and wedge between my face and the helmet. Now I roll with the visor down.

Exactly. I had the same happen so run with my visor down.

OG Shark · 03-09-2022, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by XCUSE_M3

Man I was happy getting down into the 18's during my last race thinking 17s was a good TT3 target - and then you go and drop a 16 like that! Awesome!!! Was fun watching you guys fight it out all weekend - just a great battle between all four of you.

Sure can't wait for ECR next month are you going to make it out? Personally it's not as great or fun as MSRC and not really any mistakes can happen to ruin a lap but should be a good turn out I hope. Only been there like 3 times on the entire track myself.[/QUOTE]

Went there last Dec and really enjoyed it. I like Cresson too but ECR resonates a bit more with me - but both are a very nice breakup of my typical COTA/Harris Hill rotation/rut that I get stuck in not having much time to travel right now. It's my oldest son's birthday that weekend though so can't make it out next month.

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Originally Posted by Kelse92

I don’t like the open face, when things go flying on the track like dust/rocks/debris the last thing you want is that stuff to get in your eyes

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Originally Posted by roastbeef

Same. I had a pretty sizable piece of tire slag fly into the car and wedge between my face and the helmet. Now I roll with the visor down.

I typically run visor down as a rule but was having problems with a new visor fogging up this weekend. Got hit twice - once when someone went off in front of me & again when another car had some parts grenade on it. Both times had debris hit my face through the eye opening. Very solid reminder for me not to get complacent with leaving it open - fix the fogging problem immediately & get back to closed visor asap.

roastbeef · 03-09-2022, 10:47 AM

What about a vented visor? Like little holes around the bottom of the face shield? Might help.

Speedholes?!

omgzirra_exe · 03-09-2022, 11:47 AM

speeed holesss

i do like my full face helmet though.

derbo · 03-09-2022, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Kelse92

I don’t like the open face, when things go flying on the track like dust/rocks/debris the last thing you want is that stuff to get in your eyes

it would be nice if we could run windows up like Europe

roastbeef · 03-09-2022, 11:57 AM

Would you really do it though? It would get hot quick.

omgzirra_exe · 03-09-2022, 12:26 PM

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Would you really do it though? It would get hot quick.

ac full blasst! after apex turn it off for instant power gains!~

tsk94 · 03-09-2022, 12:36 PM

Open visor + sunglasses!

03-08-2022, 01:52 PM	#20792
rhyary Colonel 1563 Rep 2,869 Posts Drives: 2013 M3 Join Date: May 2015 Location: Albany, NY iTrader: (0)	I tried many settings but at this point this is what I have settled on: Front camber -3.5 Rear Camber -2.0 ( can go to -2.2) Front toe: toe out very close to 0 but not 0 Rear Toe: Toe in. very close to 0 but not 0. Toe is measured in different scales so not sure how to communicate a number. On mine it is: Front Toe out .05 Rear Toe in .05 Hope this helps. others have a better grasp on the meaningful of the numbers.
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03-09-2022, 07:33 AM	#20801
Kelse92 Major 1132 Rep 1,366 Posts Drives: Former e92 M3 Owner Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: Dallas, TX iTrader: (0)	I don’t like the open face, when things go flying on the track like dust/rocks/debris the last thing you want is that stuff to get in your eyes __________________ #ladydriven Heavy-spec M3 // KW Clubsports // AA x-pipe // Gintani muffler // Macht-Schnell intake // Gintani tune // OMP Seats // Too Many Apex Wheels // Stoptech ST-60 // Cobalt Friction brake pads
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roastbeef Lieutenant General 11586 Rep 12,728 Posts Drives: E92 M3 Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Orange County, CA iTrader: (4)	Same. I had a pretty sizable piece of tire slag fly into the car and wedge between my face and the helmet. Now I roll with the visor down. __________________ Instagram; @roastbeefmike
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roastbeef Lieutenant General 11586 Rep 12,728 Posts Drives: E92 M3 Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Orange County, CA iTrader: (4)	What about a vented visor? Like little holes around the bottom of the face shield? Might help. Speedholes?! __________________ Instagram; @roastbeefmike
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03-09-2022, 12:36 PM	#20812
tsk94 Lieutenant Colonel 1522 Rep 1,591 Posts Drives: E92 M3, E82 128i, F82 M4, E36 Join Date: May 2017 Location: Calgary iTrader: (2)	Open visor + sunglasses!
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