New M3/M4 boring?

huyner328 · 02-05-2014, 04:03 PM

Good is pretty subjective but if it's anything like the S63 world, people are doing "good" work there.

GTR vs. F8x M cars is almost apple to oranges... unless you really think the GTR is luxurious and sporty at the same time.

cotmfk · 02-05-2014, 06:51 PM

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I can tell you don't know anything about the motor either by your general statements.

go look at the S55 turbo info and boost info. tell me how detuned this motor is.

its not like a N54 where the boost stock was peanuts. there was a lot left on the table from factory.

BMW does not want people to tune these new motors. cracking the code may take a while to get a good tune.

If someone ask me. they wanted to buy a turbo car to mod. i would tell them get a GTR.

You are right, S55 will push a lot of boost stock. That's not to say it wont be capable of more, though. Evo ran 18 or 21 psi stock (don't remember anymore), but people push 30-40 psi in them. On N54, people are pushing at least 26 psi (haven't read the tuning forums in a while). I don't think BMW would put out a car that is close to its tolerances. It wouldn't be reliable at that point.

It will be exciting to see what the tuners come up with. I agree, though, a tune won't be available right away. It will take some time. Look how long it took E9x M3 to get to 600 whp. Years!!

Ezio · 02-06-2014, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by cotmfk

You are right, S55 will push a lot of boost stock. That's not to say it wont be capable of more, though. Evo ran 18 or 21 psi stock (don't remember anymore), but people push 30-40 psi in them. On N54, people are pushing at least 26 psi (haven't read the tuning forums in a while). I don't think BMW would put out a car that is close to its tolerances. It wouldn't be reliable at that point.

It will be exciting to see what the tuners come up with. I agree, though, a tune won't be available right away. It will take some time. Look how long it took E9x M3 to get to 600 whp. Years!!

i am just saying this car cannot be compared to a n54. people think because that car gained a lot of power from exhuast work + tune this car will be the same.

we don't know how this car is going to be with mods yet.

Ezio · 02-06-2014, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by huyner328

Good is pretty subjective but if it's anything like the S63 world, people are doing "good" work there.

GTR vs. F8x M cars is almost apple to oranges... unless you really think the GTR is luxurious and sporty at the same time.

the S63 has not been that great of a tuning setup if you ask me.

have they even made a tune yet or still doing piggy backs ?

I have also heard the S63 have had Limp mode problems.

give this a read.

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=923554

cotmfk · 02-06-2014, 12:07 PM

That's a long read for sure.

I still think tuning will get a good amount of extra power out of the car. I wouldn't mind changing out the stock turbos to get that power either.

All that said, I'm never the first one to get a mod. I let others be the beta testers!!

Pat@sonictuning · 02-07-2014, 08:10 AM

Not a big fan on the new Ms but you all know I'm a Porsche guy

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If anything the M may have a few things like the new F30 has where you can plug in like a small piggy back. As of right now with the type of encryption BMW has put on the new F30 335s this encryption has not been broken, as you need a different key every time for the checksum which currently only BMW has the key. People have been trying including some of the bigger companies and local tuners in our area, and nobody has been able to hack the F30 335 ecu. If BMW puts this same type of encryption on the new M's it will be very hard to break as well. Also, look at the N55 DME for builds of March 2013 or later, as no one has been able to break that DME. Cobb has been trying but hasn't had success yet.

I'm sure it will be a very fun car either way though and very fast!!

kmarei · 02-09-2014, 07:41 AM

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Not a big fan on the new Ms but you all know I'm a Porsche guy

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If anything the M may have a few things like the new F30 has where you can plug in like a small piggy back. As of right now with the type of encryption BMW has put on the new F30 335s this encryption has not been broken, as you need a different key every time for the checksum which currently only BMW has the key. People have been trying including some of the bigger companies and local tuners in our area, and nobody has been able to hack the F30 335 ecu. If BMW puts this same type of encryption on the new M's it will be very hard to break as well. Also, look at the N55 DME for builds of March 2013 or later, as no one has been able to break that DME. Cobb has been trying but hasn't had success yet.

I'm sure it will be a very fun car either way though and very fast!!

Never get why manufacturers lock their chips
Just make it that whenever you change the code on the chip, to notify BMW and they void your warranty
But to sell me a car and limit what I can so with it doesn't seem right
If all they care about is not having to fix a blown motor because of aftermarket tuning, then just void the warranty if you mess with it
But why limit what I can do with the engine, if I'm willing to cover the costs?

kmarei · 02-09-2014, 07:44 AM

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That's a long read for sure.

I still think tuning will get a good amount of extra power out of the car. I wouldn't mind changing out the stock turbos to get that power either.

All that said, I'm never the first one to get a mod. I let others be the beta testers!!

I don't believe you will get a lot of power from these cars without replacing parts
It's basically a highly tuned n55
So you're not going to get that 80+ hp 335 owners were getting with a chip flash
Sure once you start replacing turbos and inter coolers etc you will get gains
But that still doesn't mean its a highly tunable motor
Any motor will put out more power if you're willing to replace half the parts

TheDeliverator · 02-09-2014, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by kmarei

I don't believe you will get a lot of power from these cars without replacing parts
It's basically a highly tuned n55
So you're not going to get that 80+ hp 335 owners were getting with a chip flash
Sure once you start replacing turbos and inter coolers etc you will get gains
But that still doesn't mean its a highly tunable motor
Any motor will put out more power if you're willing to replace half the parts

Couldn't agree more. Seems to me M Division would have had to ring almost all the performance out of this engine to make it perform against the V8 Merc and Audi's (even with the weight loss).

The Automotive Enthusiast · 02-10-2014, 12:29 AM

Boring is an understatement. Not a fan at all. So I went the Porsche route, a company that's been doing turbo's for awhile.

Pat@sonictuning · 02-10-2014, 04:48 PM

Porsche is the way to go!!

LucWerkz · 02-11-2014, 10:12 AM

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Porsche is the way to go!!

I'm extremely close to making a horrible financial decision on a 997.1 GT3 and you're not helping.

huyner328 · 02-11-2014, 10:18 AM

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I'm extremely close to making a horrible financial decision on a 997.1 GT3 and you're not helping.

Shut up, by GT3, you mean PRIUS.

LucWerkz · 02-11-2014, 10:22 AM

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Shut up, by GT3, you mean PRIUS.

Yeah this one...like I said. Horrible financial decision.

And let me know when you want those mirror caps wrapped. The vinyl is waiting for you..in my pants.

cotmfk · 02-11-2014, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Red_Baron

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Porsche is the way to go!!

I'm extremely close to making a horrible financial decision on a 997.1 GT3 and you're not helping.

GT3s are sky high right now. I think that's a bubble that's going to burst once the new one is really out.

huyner328 · 02-11-2014, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Red_Baron

Yeah this one...like I said. Horrible financial decision.

And let me know when you want those mirror caps wrapped. The vinyl is waiting for you..in my pants.

Cum over

LucWerkz · 02-11-2014, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by cotmfk

GT3s are sky high right now. I think that's a bubble that's going to burst once the new one is really out.

I'm really hoping so but doubt it'll happen seeing as how 991 GT3s will be PDK only.

coolcane · 02-11-2014, 06:20 PM

BMW is going to push me towards a Tesla.....if they keep making ugly cars. I am not paying 80k for an ugly car.

Pat@sonictuning · 02-11-2014, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Red_Baron

I'm extremely close to making a horrible financial decision on a 997.1 GT3 and you're not helping.

Baron do it!!! You will never want to go back no matter how much Crap you talk to me about owning a Pcar

LucWerkz · 02-11-2014, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Pat@sonictuning

Baron do it!!! You will never want to go back no matter how much Crap you talk to me about owning a Pcar

I know how 911s drive and I know the driving experience is worlds apart from an e9x M3. I just don't want another car payment....

This 2006 GT3 is very tempting thought as it's only going for $85k with 23k miles.

Pat@sonictuning · 02-12-2014, 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Red_Baron

I know how 911s drive and I know the driving experience is worlds apart from an e9x M3. I just don't want another car payment....

This 2006 GT3 is very tempting thought as it's only going for $85k with 23k miles.

Get it!!!!

sachaja · 02-13-2014, 09:36 PM

Went to the Philly car show and saw both the 3+4. I sat in the M3 . The seats are amazing. The interior is more luxurious than the current E9x but not necessarily better. I still can't get use to the nav screen sitting on top the dash.
The M3 was black and the M4 the gold/green color you see in all the pics on line. It wouldn't be my choice in color. The new headlights are definitely an upgrade. The exterior design was nice but not that much different in my opinon than the current E9x. The front and rear bumpers will probably start growing on me once I see them out in the real world for a while. I tried to strike up a conversation with one of the salesman but I was very unimpressed with his knowledge of the car. All things said they both are pretty nice cars but it remains to be seen how well they will compete with the new corvette and even the new mustang which both offer more bang for the buck........I think i'll hold on to my e92 for a while.

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