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08-10-2011, 01:02 PM | #89 | |
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Funny but probably true. High revving engine is now 7k rpm and light car is 3500lbs.. So reliable may as well mean 1 HPFP issue / year.
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Edit Apparently they are addressing the situation by changing engines. May not come to the US, though.: "With Lotus recently announcing its Elise and Exige ‘Final Edition’ models for the U.S., the automaker from Hethel will soon have only the Evora in its lineup. That situation won’t last for long, however, as Lotus is working on a completely revamped Exige for 2012, and possibly the Elise too. The biggest change will be the installation of the Evora’s 3.5-liter V-6 in the Exige. We’ve already seen spy shots of Exige prototypes packing the Toyota-sourced V-6 engine and according to Autocar they should be launched next year. The new Exige will get an extended wheelbase and possibly a wider track to accommodate the V-6 engine, and peak output should match the Evora’s 276 horsepower and 252 pound-feet of torque. Additionally, the new engine will also enable Lotus to offer an automatic gearbox on the Exige for the first time. Revised styling is also on the menu, with a much more aggressive look planned to prepare customers for the new look Lotus will be going with its future lineup. Whether Lotus chooses to bring the V-6 Exige to the U.S. or simply waits until the arrival of the Esprit supercar in 2013 remains to be seen. The Esprit will be the first of a five-strong sports car lineup that will include a redesigned Elise, Elan sports car, Elite grand tourer, Eterne four-door coupe, and the aforementioned Esprit supercar."
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Thanks for the heads-up. Hope that doesn't happen. I'm thinking of buying next year but then I might pull in the date.
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This forum is interesting-it seems like everyone has a short attention span..anybody remember the E46 M3 and how considering its 'lightness' they left the rear subframe without strong structural reinforcements that led to the subframe fiasco?
As iconic as the E30 M3 was-I'll bet good money that most of the folks in this forum wouldn't want to live with that car day in day out. It was an icon-but nevertheless was joke in terms of its ride and reliability. As someone pretty active with BMWCCA-I've met way too many E30 M3 owners with horror stories. As M3's have evolved/progressed-they've become increasingly reliable at the cost of weight and complexity. However-they've become better Jekyll and Hyde cars as a result. The M3 is and will always be an all rounder. |
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Buy something quick & fun for DD (GTI, MCS, FT-86 or similar) and a Caterham CSR for track and weekends.
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That is the idea. I already bought an MCS. Caterham is kinda too hard core for my taste. That's why I was considering Exige/S. At least I can use as DD when the mood takes.
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According too me, which is all that matters when I buy a car for me. Also, it will perform better than the current one...which performs better than the last one..etc.
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Exactly. So it won't be a better car, from my perspective. In terms of performance, unless you track it (and you're good at it) it is irrevalant how fast the car is. I couldn't even red line my M3 in public streets. Maybe 0.1% of time I could... So who cares if it can do 0-60mph in 3.9secs?
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Have you ever driven an M3? You know the M3 weights in at about 3,500lbs give or take a few options. Do you know how much an e46m3 weighs? Also, what you have done here is exposed your noobness. Did you just put the s2000 in the same group as a bunch of coupes, ummm really? last I checked the s2000 only comes in a convertible, Put a Z3, M coupe convertible, but Never an M3 in the same class. As a former s2000 owner and a current M3 owner, I can tell you that the M3 is just as "flickable", actually I think you bs'ing everyone if you don't think you can easily toss around an M3 vs. an underpowered s2000. In most cases, the naive posts in the M3post forum either people who don't own an M3 or somebody who has no clue what they are talking about. The M3 is a SOLID car, it's built different then the older cars, more reinforcements, it's certainly not going to feel like a car made in the 80s, but don't discount that feeling, thinking that it is not as 'raw'. Just some food for thought, a ferrari 458 italia weighs in at 3450, no backseat, no real trunk, lot's more $ to spend on lightening the car up. I'm not sure you can really call the M3 heavy, especially considering it has a v8. |
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10-4 captain, just saw the video on youtube, good to see Ford is catching up with actually driving the car and not just straight line pooowa!!!!
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I never said it wasn't a SOLID car. I just said its more of a luxury gt cruiser for me. It is not raw. It's a great car. Just for a different demographic. |
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I would first of all like a good looking car like the current M3 coupe. So please do not make it ugly.
After that the list goes like this. 1. Extensive Carbon Fiber use e.g....CF hood, CF trunk, CF roof. 2. Drop at least 100-200 Ibs of current V8 cars weight. 3. The next Turbo enigne needs to be real fuel efficient for daily driving. 4. 450hp-475hp and 400 Ib-ft of torque. 5. 7200-7500 rpm redline minimum. 6. Please make the next M3 sound amazing. So work on the noise. 7. The car needs to have the steering feel like that of the current M3. 8. 50/50 chassis balance and even better handling then current M3. 9. The 6-spd mauual and 7-spd DCT should be standard choices to pick from. 7. Most Important..... please do not go over $60K base price or else
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Let's instead wish for the steering feel of the 330i ZHP, the last great steering car BMW made.
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I really cant go from a v8 with 8300 rpm to i6 7000ish rpm. I tried many times to convince myself but it just doesnt work !!! Damn i love s65
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I don't have a backup camera on mine, just sensors.
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Well the steering feel of the 2008 M3 was the one most people had an issue with. In the 2011 comp. pkg reviews everyone has praised the improved steering feel that according to them has vastly improved over 2008 or early versions.
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If you have a chance, I urge you to test a 330i ZHP.
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