KW-V3 or Bilstein PSS10 coilovers

McLuVan · 08-23-2009, 11:38 PM

pss10's have cool looking knobs

Donbona · 01-12-2010, 03:10 AM

Id go for the bilsteins... known and trusted... no squeeking... no problems...great customer service. Had a set on every bmw I have owned and have ordered a set for my current M3.

aus · 01-12-2010, 09:32 AM

I believe the Bilsteins are monotube and the KW's are twin tube.

jimmyeatsworld · 01-12-2010, 02:58 PM

I've had my KW Clubsports for over a year now without any problems.

Got them installed by AutoTalent, in the LA area.

I believe KWs are monotube.

Checkcaptain · 01-12-2010, 03:11 PM

Here you can see the Bilstein drop:

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=339023

I had Bilstein on every 6 of my M3 before and always was happy.
Drove this also on an E92 - just perfect!

rzm3 · 01-12-2010, 10:14 PM

FYI: at our level of competence on a street car, a properly designed monotube and a properly designed twintube makes no difference whatsoever.

94JZA80 · 01-13-2010, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by jimmyeatsworld

I believe KWs are monotube.

yes and no...

Variants 1 through 3 are of the twin-tube design, as are the Clubsports and the Competition 2-ways. only KW's Competition 3-ways are of the monotube design.

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Originally Posted by rldzhao

FYI: at our level of competence on a street car, a properly designed monotube and a properly designed twintube makes no difference whatsoever.

+1

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Originally Posted by x838nwy

I have no direct experience with the PSS10's personally, but normally when people mention single/double adjustable I believe they are talking about the dampers only and sort of omitted the height adjustable as a 'given'.

For higher end dampers, it is possible to adjust both compression and rebound damping separately ("double" adjustable, as in the Variant 3) while on some others only the rebound rates is adjustable ("single" adjustable). If you go further up the price scale, you can adjust the low speed and high speed damping separately too.

this is essentially correct. 1-way adjustable dampers are rebound adjustable only. 2-way adjustable dampers have separate adjustments for both rebound and low-speed compression, but have a "fixed" or "locked" high-speed compression. 3-way adjustable dampers have separate adjustments for rebound, low-speed compression, and high-speed compression. the adjustability of a damper itself has absolutely nothing to do with ride height adjustment.

rzm3 · 01-13-2010, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by 94JZA80

this is essentially correct. 1-way adjustable dampers are rebound adjustable only. 2-way adjustable dampers have separate adjustments for both rebound and low-speed compression, but have a "fixed" or "locked" high-speed compression. 3-way adjustable dampers have separate adjustments for rebound, low-speed compression, and high-speed compression. the adjustability of a damper itself has absolutely nothing to do with ride height adjustment.

Not necessarily. For example, the Sachs coilover kit adjusts both bump and droop, even though it has only 1 knob.

94JZA80 · 01-13-2010, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by rldzhao

Not necessarily. For example, the Sachs coilover kit adjusts both bump and droop, even though it has only 1 knob.

hence why i said it was "essentially" correct.

...but i suppose i could have been more specific in said that some 1-way adjustable dampers adjust rebound only, while other 1-way adjustable dampers adjust rebound and low-speed compression together (but not individually).

MyKmYk · 01-15-2010, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by MyKmYk

Ordered KW's today. I'll see how these compare to my PSS10's. Granted a totally diff. chassis and generation, but I'll follow-up. Wont be til July though...

So after driving with my KW V3's for awhile I can tell you that they handle amazingly. That being said, they are exceedingly noisy, as has been reported, and its driving me crazy. Thinking of getting PSS10's now.

gthirtyfizle · 01-21-2010, 04:25 PM

What do you mean by "exceedingly noisy"? Im thinking about picking up a set of coils. But just dont know which ones. I was kinda stuck on the KW3's but now might reconsider.

U can pm me if ud like.

Jaypod · 01-21-2010, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by gthirtyfizle

What do you mean by "exceedingly noisy"? Im thinking about picking up a set of coils. But just dont know which ones. I was kinda stuck on the KW3's but now might reconsider.

U can pm me if ud like.

+1 - I am in a GB on these so would like to know what the deal is.

gthirtyfizle · 01-21-2010, 04:33 PM

Whose gb and how much?

Jaypod · 01-21-2010, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by gthirtyfizle

Whose gb and how much?

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=327222

Says for Canada, but might want to pm for price since your already in US.

STALKER · 01-21-2010, 05:17 PM

I ran KWs for a short duration on my e46 M3, and they were also very noisey. I eventually got rid of them and went with a GC set up and never looked back.

rzm3 · 01-21-2010, 07:11 PM

Noisey from what???

Is something rubbing? Shock having issues? etc.?

Please be more specific. Thanks.

STALKER · 01-21-2010, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by rldzhao

Noisey from what???

Is something rubbing? Shock having issues? etc.?

Please be more specific. Thanks.

It was over 4 years ago, I don't recall what it was exactly. Sorry.

Robwe46m3 · 02-03-2010, 09:10 PM

Checkcaptain: Im debating between KW and Bilstien Pss10. I would already own KW's but there are numerous reports that they are excessively noisy. Can you comment on your PSS10's. Are they noisy at all?

Want to here from any owners of pss10. This is my weekend/ fun car but don want squeaks when I take out my girl...

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PunjabiM3 · 02-04-2010, 12:46 PM

Are you able to use the PSS10 on cars equipped with EDC? I have been waiting over a year for EDC compatible coil-overs to come out, but perhaps it will never be a reality. I had the Porsche PASM compatible PSS9/10 (don't remember which they are) on my 997 and they were fabulous! If I end up keeping the M3 I would like to get coil-overs either soon or down the road in place of my H&R sport springs...

aus · 02-04-2010, 04:29 PM

There are a LOT of problems with noise with the KW's on the E90 side.

HP Autosport · 02-05-2010, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Eugene-TAIWAN

OK, I think these are the best coilovers.

from what I have heard KW's are softer and less harsh compared to PSS10's

on the track, I am still waiting for stories.

can one shed some light?

When modified and fitted with Swift springs, the KW V3 can be a very good coilover system for both street, track, and even light competition events.

Bob MG · 02-06-2010, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by McLuVan

pss10's have cool looking knobs

My wife says I do to.

Knob singular, I only have one

KWV3 >PS10

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aus Major General 890 Rep 9,031 Posts Drives: Odysse Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Seal Beach, CA iTrader: (10)	I believe the Bilsteins are monotube and the KW's are twin tube. __________________ Let me get this straight... You are swapping out parts designed by some of the top engineers in the world because some guys sponsored by a company told you it's "better??" But when you ask the same guy about tracking, "oh no, I have a kid now" or "I just detailed my car." or "i just got new tires."
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Checkcaptain Major 549 Rep 1,179 Posts Drives: BMW M4 GTS Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Germany iTrader: (0)	Here you can see the Bilstein drop: http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=339023 I had Bilstein on every 6 of my M3 before and always was happy. Drove this also on an E92 - just perfect!
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