KW-V3 or Bilstein PSS10 coilovers

Dartanium · 06-16-2009, 05:30 PM

if there is a Kw v3 group buy, i would be interested

Ron@Modbargains · 06-16-2009, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MrHarris

I got a feeling the Bilsteins are coming soon --- the ones that actually work with EDC not cancel out the check engine light

Towards the end of summer they said.

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Originally Posted by Dartanium

if there is a Kw v3 group buy, i would be interested

No such thing as a KW group buy - if you see one it's not authorized and probably grey market. KW doesn't allow for that.

Bilstein has always been well respected, but I have to agree if one looks at the races and whats selling and most popularly reviewed. KW stands on top of the competitors - they've really dominated and they've been #1 in Europe and have risen to the top now in the US.

aus · 06-16-2009, 11:09 PM

Is the PSS10 system a rebound adjust able system only, or is it bound/rebound adjustable?

MyKmYk · 06-16-2009, 11:17 PM

Ordered KW's today. I'll see how these compare to my PSS10's. Granted a totally diff. chassis and generation, but I'll follow-up. Wont be til July though...

aus · 06-28-2009, 05:26 PM

This is causing me some concern.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=243156

Ben335 · 06-28-2009, 10:10 PM

A member here just installed KW Clubsports and has a clunking noise from the right front shock. It seems the dampers is defective. KW is not willing to do anything for him which is the biggest issue!!

Adonislike · 06-28-2009, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron************

Towards the end of summer they said.

No such thing as a KW group buy - if you see one it's not authorized and probably grey market. KW doesn't allow for that.

Bilstein has always been well respected, but I have to agree if one looks at the races and whats selling and most popularly reviewed. KW stands on top of the competitors - they've really dominated and they've been #1 in Europe and have risen to the top now in the US.

I am far from being an expert, but doesnt Moton have to be put into this conversation??

aus · 06-29-2009, 01:56 AM

Moton's are at an entirely different price point.

bigjae1976 · 06-29-2009, 03:19 AM

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Originally Posted by aus

This is causing me some concern.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=243156

WOW!

For all the hype on this forum from vendors about the KW3 you wouldn't think so many people would be having problems.

Hopefully it gets fixed.

Eugene-TAIWAN · 06-29-2009, 08:22 AM

I believe the way how BMW is settiing up there EDC is different from porsche and R35.

I took my apart and found that it is only some simple connector to the top the of the shock tower. unlike the porsche and R35 it actually leads into the shock itself.

so I do feel and EDC upgrade that will keep the EDC system will not be made anytime soon.

aus · 06-29-2009, 09:44 PM

The JIC Cross suspension seems like something that mybe nice. It comes with plates, but is rebound adjustable only- Like I know what to do with double adjustable shocks.

The M3 version is suppose to be coming out soon.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=272259

Eugene-TAIWAN · 07-01-2009, 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by aus

Is the PSS10 system a rebound adjust able system only, or is it bound/rebound adjustable?

Its rebound and height adjustable

Gary@RENN-Spec · 07-15-2009, 01:44 PM

Alot of the issue here may be with a bad install or defective unit. In the case that the suspension would have to be warrantied, if you purchase KW from vendors that sell grey market units, you'll be SOL. This is why KW urge you to purchase from authorized vendors to avoid this hassle. Most of the time, KW is very easy going with their warranty policy.

Ben335 · 07-15-2009, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Gary@RENN-Spec

Alot of the issue here may be with a bad install or defective unit. In the case that the suspension would have to be warrantied, if you purchase KW from vendors that sell grey market units, you'll be SOL. This is why KW urge you to purchase from authorized vendors to avoid this hassle. Most of the time, KW is very easy going with their warranty policy.

The problems is how KW as a company handles the warranty. They don't make it an easy feat to get a warranty claim done. They consistently blame the install. Most of the installs that I know are done at very reputable shops or BMW dealerships. To constantly say it is the install becomes an excuse after a while. They also do not take any sort of responsibility for the install, deinstall, realignment costs from a defective damper. Furthermore, their expectation is that you take off the defective damper(s) and send it back to them so they can look at it before they will send you a new one. One could install a damper, realize it is defective, have to take it off and then send it in to KW and wait for them to inspect it and send a new one. This could be weeks before the car is up and running again. So if one is has a defective part which is no fault of the customer, they will have to pay for the install, realignment, then deinstall of the defective part. When the new part is finally sent by KW, you pay for the install of the new damper plus re-alignment again. In essence, they really have no regard for the customers convenience factor or down time in their cars. Shows poor customer service on their part.

!Xoible · 07-15-2009, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Eugene-TAIWAN

Thanks for the input!! I did not realize that there where do PSS10 dealers in the states or they don't market the product as well as KW. That is a said thing to hear. Well since the only choice I have is using KW cause of my EDC set up.
I will give V3's a shot. Maybe I will end up liking them.

why do u think JLevi is all over your nuts grinding with passion and telling you to buy KW's? coz they cannot sell you PSS10's

tightie · 07-15-2009, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben335

A member here just installed KW Clubsports and has a clunking noise from the right front shock. It seems the dampers is defective. KW is not willing to do anything for him which is the biggest issue!!

That sounds like a install issue or he messed up the shock. The Clubsports do NOT come with warranty, you know that when you purchase the item. The KWv3 do come with warranty. I have been waiting on my clubsports for months.

Ben335 · 07-15-2009, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by tightie

That sounds like a install issue or he messed up the shock. The Clubsports do NOT come with warranty, you know that when you purchase the item. The KWv3 do come with warranty. I have been waiting on my clubsports for months.

They may not come with a warranty, but I bet you would be screaming a bit if you install the dampers and they immediately start to clunk, especially after waiting months. The damper is defective by the way. Point is, warranty or no warranty, KW seems to be having a lot of problems with QC on the shocks.

Gary@RENN-Spec · 07-15-2009, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben335

The problems is how KW as a company handles the warranty. They don't make it an easy feat to get a warranty claim done. They consistently blame the install. Most of the installs that I know are done at very reputable shops or BMW dealerships. To constantly say it is the install becomes an excuse after a while. They also do not take any sort of responsibility for the install, deinstall, realignment costs from a defective damper. Furthermore, their expectation is that you take off the defective damper(s) and send it back to them so they can look at it before they will send you a new one. One could install a damper, realize it is defective, have to take it off and then send it in to KW and wait for them to inspect it and send a new one. This could be weeks before the car is up and running again. So if one is has a defective part which is no fault of the customer, they will have to pay for the install, realignment, then deinstall of the defective part. When the new part is finally sent by KW, you pay for the install of the new damper plus re-alignment again. In essence, they really have no regard for the customers convenience factor or down time in their cars. Shows poor customer service on their part.

Point taken Ben. I know that Tein for example, have offices here in the U.S. that can rebuild or supply replacement shocks to reduce the downtime.

aus · 07-15-2009, 02:55 PM

KW did post they were looking for cars that were making the sound, but they are located in Central Cali. What's up with that location???

Gary@RENN-Spec · 07-15-2009, 02:59 PM

Yeah, their NA office is located in Sanger, CA next to Fresno.

serven7 · 07-16-2009, 03:39 PM

Every time coilovers come up so does EDC. How often do you actually use the button?

Ron@Modbargains · 07-16-2009, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by tightie

That sounds like a install issue or he messed up the shock. The Clubsports do NOT come with warranty, you know that when you purchase the item. The KWv3 do come with warranty. I have been waiting on my clubsports for months.

Bingo - Clubsports don't come with the lifetime warranty. It's a drawback.

That's not to say, they won't do a rebuild work. Again on these issues using a authorized dealer will help speed the process for a person.

The whole clunking thing - I honestly haven't heard of it too often except on the reported information here on the forums. As soon as I had seen it, I sent the thread over to KW. I know they've been investigating it.

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aus Major General 890 Rep 9,031 Posts Drives: Odysse Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Seal Beach, CA iTrader: (10)	Is the PSS10 system a rebound adjust able system only, or is it bound/rebound adjustable? __________________ Let me get this straight... You are swapping out parts designed by some of the top engineers in the world because some guys sponsored by a company told you it's "better??" But when you ask the same guy about tracking, "oh no, I have a kid now" or "I just detailed my car." or "i just got new tires."
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aus Major General 890 Rep 9,031 Posts Drives: Odysse Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Seal Beach, CA iTrader: (10)	This is causing me some concern. http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=243156 __________________ Let me get this straight... You are swapping out parts designed by some of the top engineers in the world because some guys sponsored by a company told you it's "better??" But when you ask the same guy about tracking, "oh no, I have a kid now" or "I just detailed my car." or "i just got new tires."
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Ben335 Captain 46 Rep 891 Posts Drives: 09 M3 Finally here Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Virginia iTrader: (2)	A member here just installed KW Clubsports and has a clunking noise from the right front shock. It seems the dampers is defective. KW is not willing to do anything for him which is the biggest issue!!
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aus Major General 890 Rep 9,031 Posts Drives: Odysse Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Seal Beach, CA iTrader: (10)	Moton's are at an entirely different price point. __________________ Let me get this straight... You are swapping out parts designed by some of the top engineers in the world because some guys sponsored by a company told you it's "better??" But when you ask the same guy about tracking, "oh no, I have a kid now" or "I just detailed my car." or "i just got new tires."
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aus Major General 890 Rep 9,031 Posts Drives: Odysse Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Seal Beach, CA iTrader: (10)	The JIC Cross suspension seems like something that mybe nice. It comes with plates, but is rebound adjustable only- Like I know what to do with double adjustable shocks. The M3 version is suppose to be coming out soon. http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=272259 __________________ Let me get this straight... You are swapping out parts designed by some of the top engineers in the world because some guys sponsored by a company told you it's "better??" But when you ask the same guy about tracking, "oh no, I have a kid now" or "I just detailed my car." or "i just got new tires."
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Gary@RENN-Spec Captain 70 Rep 812 Posts Drives: E90 M3 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Los Angeles iTrader: (4)	Alot of the issue here may be with a bad install or defective unit. In the case that the suspension would have to be warrantied, if you purchase KW from vendors that sell grey market units, you'll be SOL. This is why KW urge you to purchase from authorized vendors to avoid this hassle. Most of the time, KW is very easy going with their warranty policy.
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aus Major General 890 Rep 9,031 Posts Drives: Odysse Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Seal Beach, CA iTrader: (10)	KW did post they were looking for cars that were making the sound, but they are located in Central Cali. What's up with that location??? __________________ Let me get this straight... You are swapping out parts designed by some of the top engineers in the world because some guys sponsored by a company told you it's "better??" But when you ask the same guy about tracking, "oh no, I have a kid now" or "I just detailed my car." or "i just got new tires."
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07-16-2009, 03:39 PM	#43
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