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Pretty sure I read that the M3 went somewhere in the 1:42-43 reange at Laguna Seca while the Boss 302 went around 1:40, and the LS version went 1:39. At Laguna Seca, that's a whipping - and Laguna Seca was the track I referred to. Of course that's also the track where Ford said that their goal was to beat the M3, and obviously they had already beat up on the Bimmer or they wouldn't have announced that. One can surmise that the car was pretty much optimized for that course, so "your results may vary" on other courses. |
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like the camaro too, but definitely not a fan of the challenger, too over-hangy at both front and rear.... to me, the mustang shape is the trimmest of them all.....long live competition... |
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Because no matter how many horses they squeeze our of that engine
It a cheap car I sat in my friends 2011 GT500 Looks like cheap shit on the inside Transmission whine The screen on the radio looks like my calculator did back in 1982 I'm sorry to say it, but American car companies can't build decent interiors to save their life It shocks me that after all these years, they still can't figure out how to build a premium interior Oh and solid rear axle? Really?
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Have you driven a '12 Ford Focus? It's a decent car, and the hatch version actually looks good. BMW is better because their cheapest car costs almost twice as much?
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11-15-2011, 09:13 PM | #28 |
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An m3 wilk never be able to compete with american power in a straight line just forget about it.
Just remember why you guys got an m3 in the first place..because it is a LUXURY sports car...not a sports car. A vette has supercar performance but most of you guys cant live with it due to poor interior and quality, If you guys dont mind that, then get a z06 and call it a day. |
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11-15-2011, 10:10 PM | #29 |
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Very true... But lets not forget that BMW makes the 1, the 328, and the x3 not to mention the electric/ hybrid goof-machines they're working on.
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11-16-2011, 08:04 AM | #30 | |
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11-16-2011, 09:26 AM | #31 |
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so all I have to do is buy this car, put the gear selector in D, mash my foot down, and I hit 200 mph? Pretty easy then, what happens when I turn that wheel thingy?
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11-16-2011, 09:34 AM | #32 | |
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I personally think the ZCP would be quicker around a given track than the standard car, but is there any data on this? As a for instance, I'm surprised that there aren't any M3 'Ring times posted since way back when. One would think the ZCP might be below eight minutes at the 'Ring, and of course the automatic might be quicker as well. Do you know of comparative results at the 'Ring, or anywhere else? Bruce Last edited by bruce.augenstein@comcast.; 11-16-2011 at 09:40 AM.. |
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11-16-2011, 10:09 AM | #33 |
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Mustangs do handle these days.
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11-16-2011, 10:45 AM | #34 | |
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back on topic, the mustang is a mustang. an m3 is an m3. cant compare the two
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11-16-2011, 10:57 AM | #35 | |
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And this is coming from the owner of 600 HP SC'd E92 M3. I still think a Z06 would hand it to me as it's 500 pounds lighter and has more torque. I'll put the new beastly mustang in the same category as my Z06. Both crazy fun to drive for a weekend here and there..but as something that you'd use on a daily basis, the luxuries, tech and refinement of a BMW are usually only disregarded by those that can't afford one. |
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As much as I hate to admit this, It's also the same company that beat Ferrari back in the day.. It's a company that is\has been targeting our beloved M3's.. BMW set the benchmark with the M3 and companies like Merc, Audi have been working to top this car... Now, some new contenders enter the game (Ford and Chevy)... Maybe it's time that we should give credit where credit is due, eh?
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I tend to laugh at the fascination that some have with cars producing well over the usable horsepower - especially in the US. How much horsepower is just too much? I'm not saying that the Mustang can't handle 650+ (and even handle it well, as evidenced by the recent improvements with the new 5.0 and Boss), but how often are you going to be able to use that amount of power? I know many on this forum head to the track on a regular basis, but what about DDing? I live in Germany, where I'm fortunate enough to hit speeds in excess of 160mph, but I'm seriously considering selling my M3 when I return to the States, as I'll never be able to enjoy this DDing fun. Sure I can head to the track, but it's always fun to legally push the limits on the Autobahn on a daily basis.
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11-16-2011, 01:15 PM | #40 | |
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So does Nissan...they also make one of the cheapest and best performing supercars in the world. You can't judge quality by the range of the product line...judge it based on measurable, and important, metrics. |
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11-16-2011, 02:15 PM | #42 | |
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I go back and forth between wanting an E92 M3, but realize I very rarely even can wind out my E46 M3 to its 8k redline. Thus like you are saying, what is the point of that extra power and modernization from the E92 M3 other than for comfort or luxury? I'm definitely considering swapping my SRT8 for this new GT500, but that's mainly because of the 300 lbs. weight difference and likely more sporty handling the Ford should offer. What this really comes down to is fun in real world street driving in the US... and the more I think about it the best upcoming options may likely be the Subuaru BRZ STI or the Fiat 500 Abarth. |
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2. Can you use the HP in everyday driving? No, but as others have noted, you can absolutely say the same about the M3, or for that matter my old 306HP G35. Most cars are capable of substantial performance beyond legal limits, so where is the scale "reasonable" vs. "unreasonable"? Cheers
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