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      08-13-2018, 05:09 PM   #1827
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seeing the extension on the f36 tells me that the next 4gc will really be the 4gt to make up for the 3er gt being gone. This only makes sense seeing what bmw did to the 6gc.
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      08-13-2018, 06:00 PM   #1828
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I remember someone posted a canadian document here on:
EOP of X4 My2019 july 2019
SOP of X4 My2020 august 2019.

If My2020 X3 and X4 are getting new Dash, similar to 8 serie? Is the x4m getting at start the new dash too?
Good question and I would like to know that as well

X3m and x4m getting new dash? Only makes sense they would.
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Looking for an X7M and cant find it...

It says " Funny enough, F94 X7M was (is?) under consideration"
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It says " Funny enough, F94 X7M was (is?) under consideration"
And I would put 90% probability on "was" and 10% on "is". In other words, it's much less likely than Trump presidency.
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      08-13-2018, 06:35 PM   #1831
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I will definitely definitely miss the F36
Too bad it never got an S55 and four pipes out back such a fantastic daily. Onward and forward we march...
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And I would put 90% probability on "was" and 10% on "is". In other words, it's much less likely than Trump presidency.

no doubt , sheesh..

this is a situation where they just might want to gauge customer response to the base product first..
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Where are the diesels? Looks like I have to start looking in to JLR range in the US.
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Where are the diesels? Looks like I have to start looking in to JLR range in the US.

There's a investigation going on ...

https://money.cnn.com/2018/03/20/inv...ons/index.html


Plus ...

" Germany's top court recently paved the way for major cities to ban diesel vehicles, and other cities and countries are looking to do the same."

Doesn't sound like a place for bmw to invest a lot of money in right now does it ?


Here is how things are going at "JLR".

https://amp.ft.com/content/637351dc-...4-2218e7146b04

The company, which is heavily reliant on diesel sales in UK and Europe, has been hit by the political backlash against the fuel that has seen some cities consider banning older diesel engines and governments increase taxes.

In the UK, diesel sales currently account for less than a third of new car sales, compared with more than half four years ago, and new taxes that came into force last month are expected to accelerate the decline.

JLR blamed the diesel collapse for a decision last month to cut 1,000 jobs at its British factories.
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      08-14-2018, 01:43 AM   #1836
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Good question and I would like to know that as well

X3m and x4m getting new dash? Only makes sense they would.
Still strange that they introduce a new dash on X3/X4 before the facelift... But great news if they do it.
When is SOP for X3m and X4m?
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Where are the diesels? Looks like I have to start looking in to JLR range in the US.

There's a investigation going on ...

https://money.cnn.com/2018/03/20/inv...ons/index.html


Plus ...

" Germany's top court recently paved the way for major cities to ban diesel vehicles, and other cities and countries are looking to do the same."

Doesn't sound like a place for bmw to invest a lot of money in right now does it ?


Here is how things are going at "JLR".

https://amp.ft.com/content/637351dc-...4-2218e7146b04

The company, which is heavily reliant on diesel sales in UK and Europe, has been hit by the political backlash against the fuel that has seen some cities consider banning older diesel engines and governments increase taxes.

In the UK, diesel sales currently account for less than a third of new car sales, compared with more than half four years ago, and new taxes that came into force last month are expected to accelerate the decline.

JLR blamed the diesel collapse for a decision last month to cut 1,000 jobs at its British factories.
Good diesels are dinosaurs !
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I'm actually kind of shocked by this one. Audi and Merc have left behind their diesels, and I thought BMW was about to do the same. They planned an X3 xDrive30d, which is nowhere to be heard or seen, the 540d came to America, selling 75 units, and is now somehow discontinued after 3 months, and it seems like the G20 3 series won't be getting a 30d model.
Wow, is that confirmed? Low volume isn’t too surprising, but just 75 sales is still far less than I would have guessed (and I was pretty skeptical about the demand for this engine leading up to its release). I certainly hadn’t heard it was dead already (if indeed it is), although with such low sales, it might be the right move. From the beginning, the release of the 540d seemed out of touch with market conditions, and it felt almost uncomfortably as though they forced it just to prove they were not cheating and that their diesels could still make it through US regulatory certification.

With the iPerformance lineup soon growing to include the X3, there will be full overlap between the models that include a PHEV and the models that would (or in the past) have included a diesel. The 3er, 5er, 7er, X3, and X5 all get “e” models, and while they might not necessarily offer the peak torque of a diesel, they do offer improved fuel economy compared to a similar gasoline model. The only thing missing is a 545e Model - the 5 Series should offer the drivetrains from both its larger and smaller siblings, just as it does with the gasoline engines.

I should add here that I can still see a potential market for a diesel X3 or X5 since they might be used to tow a boat or for other activities where the torque is beneficial. But for passenger cars, the demand appears to have shifted.
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Let me know when the " marketing genius"' of the M2 includes some attention to curb weight ..
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...ine-more-power

Check out the curb weight of this MY2019 car, 1100 lbs less than M2. Trimming 500 lbs from CSL needs to be done.
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I'm actually kind of shocked by this one. Audi and Merc have left behind their diesels, and I thought BMW was about to do the same. They planned an X3 xDrive30d, which is nowhere to be heard or seen, the 540d came to America, selling 75 units, and is now somehow discontinued after 3 months, and it seems like the G20 3 series won't be getting a 30d model.
Wow, is that confirmed? Low volume isn't too surprising, but just 75 sales is still far less than I would have guessed (and I was pretty skeptical about the demand for this engine leading up to its release). I certainly hadn't heard it was dead already (if indeed it is), although with such low sales, it might be the right move. From the beginning, the release of the 540d seemed out of touch with market conditions, and it felt almost uncomfortably as though they forced it just to prove they were not cheating and that their diesels could still make it through US regulatory certification.

With the iPerformance lineup soon growing to include the X3, there will be full overlap between the models that include a PHEV and the models that would (or in the past) have included a diesel. The 3er, 5er, 7er, X3, and X5 all get "e" models, and while they might not necessarily offer the peak torque of a diesel, they do offer improved fuel economy compared to a similar gasoline model. The only thing missing is a 545e Model - the 5 Series should offer the drivetrains from both its larger and smaller siblings, just as it does with the gasoline engines.

I should add here that I can still see a potential market for a diesel X3 or X5 since they might be used to tow a boat or for other activities where the torque is beneficial. But for passenger cars, the demand appears to have shifted.
Plus PHEV don't work for city resident that have to park on the street and can't charge overnight. It's really a sad news to see diesel go away they are so cheap to run even for car. My 328d cost about 40% less in fuel than the equivalent 328i and paid for itself in 2 years. I hope the X5 will still be available in a diesel trim.
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I'm actually kind of shocked by this one. Audi and Merc have left behind their diesels, and I thought BMW was about to do the same. They planned an X3 xDrive30d, which is nowhere to be heard or seen, the 540d came to America, selling 75 units, and is now somehow discontinued after 3 months, and it seems like the G20 3 series won't be getting a 30d model.
Wow, is that confirmed? Low volume isn't too surprising, but just 75 sales is still far less than I would have guessed (and I was pretty skeptical about the demand for this engine leading up to its release). I certainly hadn't heard it was dead already (if indeed it is), although with such low sales, it might be the right move. From the beginning, the release of the 540d seemed out of touch with market conditions, and it felt almost uncomfortably as though they forced it just to prove they were not cheating and that their diesels could still make it through US regulatory certification.

With the iPerformance lineup soon growing to include the X3, there will be full overlap between the models that include a PHEV and the models that would (or in the past) have included a diesel. The 3er, 5er, 7er, X3, and X5 all get "e" models, and while they might not necessarily offer the peak torque of a diesel, they do offer improved fuel economy compared to a similar gasoline model. The only thing missing is a 545e Model - the 5 Series should offer the drivetrains from both its larger and smaller siblings, just as it does with the gasoline engines.

I should add here that I can still see a potential market for a diesel X3 or X5 since they might be used to tow a boat or for other activities where the torque is beneficial. But for passenger cars, the demand appears to have shifted.
Your comment inspires me to ask... Will an X3e or X5e have a higher or lower tow rating than a "regular" X3 or X5?
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Your comment inspires me to ask... Will an X3e or X5e have a higher or lower tow rating than a "regular" X3 or X5?
Good question. What are the tow ratings for the outgoing F15 35i, 50i, and 40e? That would probably give at least some insight into what we can expect for the G05 40i, 50i, and 45e.
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Your comment inspires me to ask... Will an X3e or X5e have a higher or lower tow rating than a "regular" X3 or X5?
The F15 X5 40e had a 6000lbs tow rating like the other F15 X5. I suspect it will be the same with the G05 X5 45e probably 7200lbs like the other X5. The only thing that is suspicious is that when the battery goes dead your X5 45e become a 30i with more ballast to haul. So i can imagine it screaming for his mama going up a 15% grade towing 7000lbs. Most of owner did prefer the F15 35d for towing.
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Your comment inspires me to ask... Will an X3e or X5e have a higher or lower tow rating than a "regular" X3 or X5?
Good question. What are the tow ratings for the outgoing F15 35i, 50i, and 40e? That would probably give at least some insight into what we can expect for the G05 40i, 50i, and 45e.
The unofficial information I find through web searches indicates the same 5952lb tow rating for all X5 models (including 40e) regardless of drivetrain.
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Wow, is that confirmed? Low volume isn’t too surprising, but just 75 sales is still far less than I would have guessed (and I was pretty skeptical about the demand for this engine leading up to its release). I certainly hadn’t heard it was dead already (if indeed it is), although with such low sales, it might be the right move. From the beginning, the release of the 540d seemed out of touch with market conditions, and it felt almost uncomfortably as though they forced it just to prove they were not cheating and that their diesels could still make it through US regulatory certification.

With the iPerformance lineup soon growing to include the X3, there will be full overlap between the models that include a PHEV and the models that would (or in the past) have included a diesel. The 3er, 5er, 7er, X3, and X5 all get “e” models, and while they might not necessarily offer the peak torque of a diesel, they do offer improved fuel economy compared to a similar gasoline model. The only thing missing is a 545e Model - the 5 Series should offer the drivetrains from both its larger and smaller siblings, just as it does with the gasoline engines.

I should add here that I can still see a potential market for a diesel X3 or X5 since they might be used to tow a boat or for other activities where the torque is beneficial. But for passenger cars, the demand appears to have shifted.
While it isn’t 100% confirmed by BMW, the 540d is no longer on the configurator. Pair that with the X3 diesel being confirmed earlier this year, to no news on it at all months later, and it seems BMW diesel is dead. I believe there was only 75 produced, it was either on bimmerpost or bimmerfest someone posted about buying the last produced 540d and their dealer told them they only made 75.

Electric/Plug ins are the future, but i really liked the diesels for their torque and their engines. Unlike the plug ins they still use 3liter I6s which are much better than 2L 4cylinders.
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While it isn’t 100% confirmed by BMW, the 540d is no longer on the configurator.
That's definitely not a good sign, but I wonder if it could have anything to do with the switch from MY2018 to MY2019? It seems that there could simply be a delay in getting certification, if indeed they must rectify for the new model year (I believe they have to, but not certain).

Was the 2019 540d ever listed on the website, or was it only the 2018? I do see that they put the 2019 model into the order guide, so they had planned to offer it at some point in fairly the recent past.

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Pair that with the X3 diesel being confirmed earlier this year, to no news on it at all months later, and it seems BMW diesel is dead.
According to ynguldyn's latest update, it seems the X5 40d is still possible. I don't think the X3 30d has been completely ruled out entirely yet either, AFAIK. Of course, I do agree with you that the market for BMW diesels in the US is drying up. Perhaps it isn't quite time to bury them yet though (?).
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Does anyone know when the G05 X5M will be released? Will it be using the current engine or a variant of the M5? Thanks!
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Does anyone know when the G05 X5M will be released?
From the OP:

"2020 F95 X5 M"

So it will come next year as a 2020 model.

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Will it be using the current engine or a variant of the M5? Thanks!
From the OP:

"The next M5, X5M, and X6M will all get the same engine, S63B44T4. Note that the latest production iteration of this engine is T2. My best guess for the reasons for skipping T3 is that T3 did exist, but the engineers went further and made a still better version."

It is worth reading the OP if you have any questions about future products. In fact it is generally a great idea to just quickly read the first post of a thread before replying with questions.

Forum member yngulgyn has been sharing information with us for a few years now, and its generally been a very good predictor of what comes to pass.
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