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      07-01-2020, 11:11 PM   #1
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Next Generation Toyota 86 & Subaru BRZ

I did a quick search and couldn't find anything, so here is a quick summary so far.

9/27/19
Press Release confirmation

https://global.toyota/en/newsroom/co.../29916271.html

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Toyota and Subaru Agree on New Business and Capital Alliance

Details of business activities in the new alliance

1. In pursuit of making ever-better cars beyond that achieved thus far by Toyota and Subaru

1) Bringing together both companies' strengths to jointly develop all-wheel-drive models that offer the ultimate sensation in all-wheel driving
2) Joint development of the next-generation Toyota 86 and Subaru BRZ

2. Expansion of the scope of partnership to survive this once-in-a-century period of profound transformation

1) Following the Crosstrek Hybrid*, expanding use of the Toyota Hybrid System in other Subaru models
2) Cooperation in the domain of connected vehicles and technical collaboration in the field of autonomous driving
9/15/19
Spy shots

The media is reporting that its a face-lift, but our inside is hinting at test mule. It's also worth noting that production of the current 86 is wrapping up soon.

https://www.autoblog.com/2019/10/15/...refresh-spied/





4/24/2020
Leaked road map from a dealer meeting.



6/14/20
Japanese media BestCar claiming this is the final design.







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      07-02-2020, 01:04 AM   #2
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Lol is that really it? It’s the same car with a front bumper change?
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Lol is that really it? It’s the same car with a front bumper change?
Kinda like with the F10 vs G30 5er, or every other Porsche
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this car needs at least 50% more power..
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i owned one for about a year. its an awesome machine and very fun... but only under 70mph.

I doubt this thing will offer much improvement over the current gen.. otherwise its going to cut into the 4 cylinder supra sales.
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If this thing gets the 255hp/295lb-ft Supra 2 liter turbo, it would be a total blast with the manual. Aftermarket will make it even better. Not holding my breath though. Watch them stick a low tq NA motor in it.

I like the Acura tail lights.

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Lol is that really it? Itís the same car with a front bumper change?
There are subtle changes all over. The original wasn't a bad looking car so there's no need to stray too far from that design. I believe it's going to come with an non-turbo FA24 engine so a bump in displacement at least. Hopefully they can properly tune this engine as the torque dip in the 2.0L just kills the current car as it got so wheezy under full throttle.
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Lol is that really it? It’s the same car with a front bumper change?
There are subtle changes all over. The original wasn't a bad looking car so there's no need to stray too far from that design. I believe it's going to come with an non-turbo FA24 engine so a bump in displacement at least. Hopefully they can properly tune this engine as the torque dip in the 2.0L just kills the current car as it got so wheezy under full throttle.
Exactly, the motor killed the car. I planned on buying one until I drove it. Hopefully they use a much better motor this time.
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i owned one for about a year. its an awesome machine and very fun... but only under 70mph.

I doubt this thing will offer much improvement over the current gen.. otherwise its going to cut into the 4 cylinder supra sales.
I also owned one but for 2 years. Agreed it was super fun but as the speed climbed the car became very underwhelming.

I think this is a perfect car for amateur drivers. They can safely understand the dynamics of driving without power levels that will overburden them.
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I also owned one but for 2 years. Agreed it was super fun but as the speed climbed the car became very underwhelming.

I think this is a perfect car for amateur drivers. They can safely understand the dynamics of driving without power levels that will overburden them.
Agreed. It's for people that want an entry level RWD sporty car with low limits that isn't a Miata.
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Much better to just buy a low mileage S2000 if you want a fun car within the speed limit
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Much better to just buy a low mileage S2000 if you want a fun car within the speed limit
Not easy to find clean, low mileage samples and if you do they aren't used car bargains. Most have been modded (poorly as with most Hondas) or beat to shit.
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Japanese media BestCar claiming this is the final design.[/B]

Give it 250whp and Iíd buy that
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If this thing gets the 255hp/295lb-ft Supra 2 liter turbo, it would be a total blast with the manual. Aftermarket will make it even better. Not holding my breath though. Watch them stick a low tq NA motor in it.

I like the Acura tail lights.
We donít have to go around turbo-img everything. A strong NA motor with a high redline is more fun & reliable on track
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The only way i see it selling well is if they put a turbo engine in it. Even if its just a 1.5t but preferably a 2.0t making about 250-260hp otherwise there is no point in paying a premium for this over a lightly used brz
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Not easy to find clean, low mileage samples and if you do they aren't used car bargains. Most have been modded (poorly as with most Hondas) or beat to shit.
$25k for an frs? That will buy you helluva clean s2k
As with most cars, the cheaper they are the more access this more people can mod them cheaply with cheap parts
ie e36 m3s and e46 m3s
The bay area is filled with beat to shit and poorly modded bargain basement BMWs
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Bestcar's render vs the current 86.













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If this thing gets the 255hp/295lb-ft Supra 2 liter turbo, it would be a total blast with the manual. Aftermarket will make it even better. Not holding my breath though. Watch them stick a low tq NA motor in it.

I like the Acura tail lights.
They have all the parts but Iím pretty convinced Toyota is never going to put them together in the right way.

Like, between the two versions of the Supra and the frs they have three cars that I consider good but fatally flawed enough Iíd never consider buying one new.
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Wow so they're going full Lexus IS with this car too? Even if they finally up the power, nobody's going to want to put up with that trash interior. They're just trying to hang onto the few customers they have.
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Wow so they're going full Lexus IS with this car too? Even if they finally up the power, nobody's going to want to put up with that trash interior. They're just trying to hang onto the few customers they have.
Supposedly Nissan is going the same route with the next Z. Also isn't the 981 and 982 pretty similar? The dimensions between the two are nearly identical.
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Supposedly Nissan is going the same route with the next Z. Also isn't the 981 and 982 pretty similar? The dimensions between the two are nearly identical.
Oh wow, I thought the next Z would be a new car from the ground up. But Nissan is in such dire financial straights, I suppose we can't expect more.

The whole Boxster/Cayman situation seemed odd to me. The 982 was no more than a refresh with new engines. Seems they only did it due to global emissions regulations forcing them to move to 4 cyl engines. They marketed it as an all-new car but it wasn't. For an 8 yr old car, the 981/982 still looks fresh.
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