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      10-15-2020, 11:32 AM   #45
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Not happy about pricing also. I was hoping starting at $48k.

When I price out a Camaro exactly the way I would order one it's $46.7k, and it also has a trick active diff.

I am interested to see the Handling Pack price, because this is where you have all the GT350 track durability parts, like rear axle cooler, GT350 Oil cooler, aero (including under car, where it really counts), and trans cooler.

But it looks too expensive compared to the Camaro. So unless it can somehow be significantly quicker around a racetrack, the Camaro now wins the value for speed battle.
PP2 was already very close to a 1LE, close enough that I'd worry more about the driver than the car. The main issue with these cars, if you are trying to go fast, is the lack of torque down low. It's not horrible, but you gotta wring that smaller displacement up a lot higher to get the same thing, so area below the curve is a continual fight for the smaller displacement NA V8. Something like the 3.5 ecoboost with twin turbos would potentially be a better platform than their fixed-bore V8 engines, just for the purpose of going fast.
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PP2 was already very close to a 1LE, close enough that I'd worry more about the driver than the car. The main issue with these cars, if you are trying to go fast, is the lack of torque down low. It's not horrible, but you gotta wring that smaller displacement up a lot higher to get the same thing, so area below the curve is a continual fight for the smaller displacement NA V8. Something like the 3.5 ecoboost with twin turbos would potentially be a better platform than their fixed-bore V8 engines, just for the purpose of going fast.
Honestly, I donít think itís as big of a deal. My 1st Gen Coyote (2014 GT) had 420HP and 380lb-ft. And it was still one of the fastest cars on an average track day.

This 3rd Gen Coyote makes 480hp and 420lb-ft. 35tq less than the SS. But the top end of the Coyote is better, and the car makes up for a slower start at the top end. It had a Redline of 7400 too, which is nice.

Also wonít suffer any of heat soaking issues of the FI motors.

PP2 was quick, but didnít have the endurance. Rear did would overheat. This version will be quick for many more laps.

How much quicker than a 1LE? Dying to find out.

But still too expensive for what it is. Weíre now approaching M2C territory in price!!
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have they released any info on weight ?

i'm guessing its going to be up there with the G80 at 3800+ pounds.
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Honestly, I donít think itís as big of a deal. My 1st Gen Coyote (2014 GT) had 420HP and 380lb-ft. And it was still one of the fastest cars on an average track day.

This 3rd Gen Coyote makes 480hp and 420lb-ft. 35tq less than the SS. But the top end of the Coyote is better, and the car makes up for a slower start at the top end. It had a Redline of 7400 too, which is nice.

Also wonít suffer any of heat soaking issues of the FI motors.

PP2 was quick, but didnít have the endurance. Rear did would overheat. This version will be quick for many more laps.

How much quicker than a 1LE? Dying to find out.

But still too expensive for what it is. Weíre now approaching M2C territory in price!!
Yeah but you have that pesky "affordable parts and reliability" you have to deal with compared to BMWs. Such a travesty.
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Yeah but you have that pesky "affordable parts and reliability" you have to deal with compared to BMWs. Such a travesty.
When I bought my 14' GT Track Pack new, it was $33k out the door. It was $15k under M3 pricing, and within 0.1s at Laguna Seca.

This will be a bit faster than M2C, but for $5k less? Now the BMW interior might be worth it!

But there is still the sound...
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When I bought my 14' GT Track Pack new, it was $33k out the door. It was $15k under M3 pricing, and within 0.1s at Laguna Seca.

This will be a bit faster than M2C, but for $5k less? Now the BMW interior might be worth it!

But there is still the sound...
I had a '13 Track Pack. But I special ordered a base, no Recaros, no options, except the track pack. Paid $30,500 for it in October '12 after it was delivered 2 months early.

Sold it in April '13 for $30k because a guy wanted a no option track pack car, RIGHT NOW.

I think Coyote sounds so much better than the Chevy small block, but I'm not sure $10k better. Not to mention, these cars all so incredibly fast and way more capable than me, or 90% of HPDE/TT drivers.

Not to mention the tire/brake/fuel bill for actually using them as such.
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I had a '13 Track Pack. But I special ordered a base, no Recaros, no options, except the track pack. Paid $30,500 for it in October '12 after it was delivered 2 months early.

Sold it in April '13 for $30k because a guy wanted a no option track pack car, RIGHT NOW.

I think Coyote sounds so much better than the Chevy small block, but I'm not sure $10k better. Not to mention, these cars all so incredibly fast and way more capable than me, or 90% of HPDE/TT drivers.

Not to mention the tire/brake/fuel bill for actually using them as such.
Awesome! They are impressive cars. I went down the rabbit hole with mine. Tracked it stock for 2 seasons except fluids and pads. Then I did lowering springs, adjustable dampers, sways, camber plates, wheels, tires, intake and tune, GT 500 rear brakes, and happily tracked it every year till 2018. I did get to point of being on par with the car, and when I did I started having overheating issues on track. Sold it in 2018, and still miss it sometimes. Miss the Coyote for sure.
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