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      10-19-2020, 09:20 AM   #1
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How relevant is the moose test and slalom to handling?

I SEE that audi perform better in that regard than almost Any bmw

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It tells you how good the car is at changing directions. there are a lot of cars with relatively poor turn in (GTR / M8) but can pull a good lap time because of outright grip/tire.

usually heavier front engine based cars are going to struggle in slalom type tests compared to lighter mid engine cars.
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It tells you how good the car is at changing directions. there are a lot of cars with relatively poor turn in (GTR / M8) but can pull a good lap time because of outright grip/tire.

usually heavier front engine based cars are going to struggle in slalom type tests compared to lighter mid engine cars.
I understand that, But compared with audi, bmw is worse at that. So i try to understand of bmw is the sportier brand anymore?
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For this website in particular, they are only measuring the speed of the vehicle as it enters the slalom and not exit speed or total time taken. They are effectively measuring how aggressively electronic stability control will intervene to slow the car down so that it can safely pass through the cones.

For instance, I don't think the 2018 Opel Grandland X (a crossover) handles nearly as well as a 2016 Porsche 911 Turbo S in any realistic scenario, but they both were measured at 81 km/h.

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For this website in particular, they are only measuring the speed of the vehicle as it enters the slalom and not exit speed or total time taken. They are effectively measuring how aggressively electronic stability control will intervene to slow the car down so that it can safely pass through the cones.

For instance, I don't think the 2018 Opel Grandland X (a crossover) handles nearly as well as a 2016 Porsche 911 Turbo S in any realistic scenario, but they both were measured at 81 km/h.
This makes sense. But still ...
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So a few notes:

1) This is a HUGE car to throw around in the first place. Weight is hard to hide
2) In comfort mode you see it being well in control, because traction and stability control systems are on their most sensitive settings
3) In Sport or Sport + the thresholds for traction and stability control interventions are expanded, to give the driver some degree of sliding around, which is what we see in the 78 test
4) These tests are very dependent on smoothness and timing of drivers inputs. An experienced driver can execute most of these maneuvers with full system off without hitting any cones.

BMW dynamic characteristics are better than most other cars. This is a very specific test, focusing on one very small band of performance data. Cars which are easy to drive are typically not too fun, or set to understeer. Like the Audi.

Conclusion: If you're worried about a double-lane-change or slalom maneuver controllability, keep the car in comfort mode with all the nannies on.

An engaging car requires a driver to do a lot more with the steering, throttle and brake inputs. It's possible to avoid the big side slip angles in the video, but one needs to know how to drive, and provide the car with the proper inputs, before it gets sideways. And BMW is very progressive at the limits. Mustangs for example are not. It goes from grip to no grip instantly.
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