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Supra definitely looks special, BMW I6 engine definitely makes sense in my opinion.
I feel that the "soul" in a turbocharged car is its torque delivery, they typically don't sound great since the turbo comes in the way of exhaust flow! I really wished the new Supra had a MT option, BMW already has it developed for F30 series and they are providing the drivetrain anyway! Hoping this is a sign that Toyota is trying to make sporty driving cars! |
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I think the form factor is pretty good. If anything, it will love great lowered a bit on properly sized wheels. It's not exactly slow and I'm sure it will handle great as well.
But man, the idea that toyota needed to go to BMW for this is no bueno. To me, if they just left the name of FT-1 and not called it a supra, I'd be far more interested. To me, the soul of a company is with their performance cars and for Toyota, the Supra has a specific place. It evolved from basically a submodel to an extremely competent stand-alone model in the mkIV. And the numbers may indicate that the mkV beats the mkIV in all categories, it's using BMWs soul, IMO. The anonymous FT-1 name is perfectly suited to this vehicle. So yeah, it's a fail to me. I couldn't care less how it stacks up to our cars or any other performance vehicle. |
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People act as if Akio does not know what the Supra stands for (is the car we got exactly what he wanted and is capable of delivering....hell no, but that's how it goes in business), he is the reason why GR even exist today. The fact of the matter is we are in different times, the golden age of Japanese companies blowing tons of money on sports cars is over. Those that tried, (Honda) already showed how silly it really is. The dollar signs just don't add up and no board is going to sign off on it. We live in a world of platform sharing and Toyota has no platform available nor an inline 6. The FT-1 concept was engineers way of expressing a want for another sports car. Akio saw the FT-1 and fell in love he demanded another sports car and guess what, his favorite is the Supra. When money got to talking, deadlines, etc. were in discussion there was no way it would be done in-house. So when it came down to deciding who dominates the inline 6 space today it's BMW. There are so many collaborations amongst sports cars today for very similar reasons... Moral of the story pray you have a board more willing to blow some cash..
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Really, we should be thankful that they built this ugly turd. Give me an break.
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Let's be straight here: I'm not looking for a continuation of the mkIV supra. I'm looking for the current version of what that car represented. At the time, it was cutting edge for production vehicles (at least in the US) from the Toyota brand. It had the best tech, an excellent chassis, and an engine that was both powerful and durable. Perfect. In 2018, I don't expect a turbo I6. I'm expecting to be wowed like I was with the mkIV. So, give us some a performance hybrid or full electric. That's the cutting edge of toyota tech at the moment. |
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But the chassis will be better....lower weight, better rigidity, lower CoG, etc. "Cutting edge you say" the only thing cutting edge about the MKiV was delivering a simple well performing car, excellent use of materials to bring down weight with powerful brakes and a strong engine that wasn't discovered until years later. The car we currently have today delivers that same notion. It just happens to be cosigned by BMW instead of all Toyota and you are incorrect it's definitely a consumer problem and I could show enormous amounts of data to illustrate the point. The MKIV was so wowing they were selling them like crazy too, right?? I'm sorry but did you expect it to be a GTR competitor as well....
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"BMW couldn’t believe how extensive some of our quality and efficiency studies were as parts came into shape one by one. We would take every bit down to a fastener or rivet, and put it through our stringent quality control and a dozen other testing, we’d ship thousands of parts back to Japan for analysis. That is normal to us. Each piece we test at our level, they were now the ones surprised." The above sounds promising for new Supra and Z4 owners. |
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Sadly, we won't ever get a 100% Toyota made Supra.. Do you have the right to be upset about that, absolutely. But, that doesn't mean Toyota isn't still out to try and deliver the best sports car they can given their restrictions that meet the initial requirements of what we feel the Supra is. A simple, affordable inline-6 powered car with an influential mod culture. We shall see if that shapes out to be, but like anything the good ol' days are the good ol days. I still want NA v8 m3s and Ferraris. If I had to take a wild guess, it's because it generates buzz.. They just happened to throw less cash at it to avoid having grossly wasted expenses (I can't blame them for it, it's not like I'm going to throw away a bunch of my cash just to make the people happy) Quote:
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I'm not quite sure how that's relevant, but yes, I have some seat time in an all stock mkIV turbo back in the mid-90s. What a wonderful experience. This was before anyone really paid attention to these, but it was immediately obvious how special this car was. It had a solidity to it that was not common in Asian cars, particularly at the time.
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like its been said its an Auto Z4.... PASS
Honestly i rather still have the MK4 but for the money i rather get an M4 for same price as a decent MK4 |
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I get it that they wanted to keep the inline 6 tradition, but shit GTR did with the VR engine. They could have used the newly developed V6 TT. IMO looks like a blown up BRZ/FRS.
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I think the new Supra looks OK.
Like: Another performance car out there Dislike: Toyota did not build their own unique car, BMW rebuilt a Japanese classic no manual meh specs on paper
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