Track forum general chit chat.

[roastbeef]

yea, there is risk. some car's tire could blow out and send the car into mine or a wheel could break off and cause me to go off or smash up my car... i get that.

but if i'm doing a casual track day and monitoring mirrors, i shouldn't be on the track with someone going for wheel to wheel gaps and rubbing their tires on my door and squeezing me off into the runoff. i would expect the coordinator to put a stop to that. i think even the flag guys would radio in that there may be a problem. it just isn't the right setting for that and it multiplies the risk.

[Chris_PDX]

Originally Posted by Montaver

'When you take a car, race or street, on track you need to be financially prepared to write it off.'

What a bunch of idiots. So that means they can drive irresponsibly and destroy other peoples property? Sounds like the organizers really messed up letting them in TBH, I wouldn't want to share a track with anyone who has that attitude.

So much this.

HPDE/track days are *subsidized* by the masses who can't afford to write off their car. Those of us with purpose built cars that are solely for track use (and not financed to the hilt) are the very small minority.

[bigjae1976]

What was that 370Z doing??? If the 370 pointed the GT3 by then you need to back off. Yeah the GT3 was a faster straight line driver but you pointed him by.

And the R8...wow!

I've driven with a Ferrari Challenge car. It closes quick and it's so low that it's hard to see. But the driver doesn't dive bomb people without a point.

If you give a late point...he will dive bomb! Lol

[Bartledoo]

So, I got a check engine light for code P0116 (Engine Coolant Temperature Sensor 1 Circuit Range/Performance) at the track Friday, when my oil temp was approaching the 250F region. I was running the heater because I figured it would help with cooling and it doesn't bother me with the windows down. I looked at the test condition which prompts the P0116 code, and it is when the coolant temperature sensor measured value + 20°Kelvin (K_TMOT_SK_DELTA) < oil temperature.

Is it possible that keeping the coolant cooler by running the heater can cause the delta between oil temp and coolant temp to trip the code?? Seems like it.

[Chris_PDX]

Originally Posted by kpewpew

Yes I was there and in the same run group as the Mclaren that wrecked (one car between us), the R8 hit my friend's car, and 370z went flying near someone else I know.

Some other forums/groups state people had complained about the Rearden drivers all day. Do you know if that's the case? Just curious.

[kyippee]

Originally Posted by Chris_PDX

Some other forums/groups state people had complained about the Rearden drivers all day. Do you know if that's the case? Just curious.

I don't know first hand if people complained to staff. However, people I talked with did say they noticed aggressive driving.

From my own perspective one of the cars, I believe the 370z was doing a no-no during checkered flag when I was going into pit. I was cruising at 7th gear cooling down and about to enter the pit entrance, the car came flying towards me from behind driving what looked like a fast pace, then decided to just pass me with a healthy amount of throttle. Corner worker at the pit lane signaled to the driver to chill the eff out via hand signal. I have it on video, can review footage. My memory card wasn't corrupted

[Ximian]

Originally Posted by dparm

Here's their latest response to the incident:

https://www.facebook.com/reardenraci...52964428151235



These paragraphs are fucking ridiculous and show how they're a bunch of assbags. Their story doesn't match the video evidence AND their own videos are suspiciously corrupt/cameras weren't turned on:


When you take a car, race or street, on track you need to be financially prepared to write it off. Most with more than a few days of track driving have added to the story of once great cars. We often remind those wanting to take their nice street cars on track. You can purchase on-track insurance if you choose.

On track contact is a no-fault situation as related to damages. Drivers do not pay for damage to cars other than their own. Be glad of this fact, otherwise those of us with Miatas and Nissans could never be on track, because we would inevitably run into a Ferrari. The waiver one signs when entering a race track addresses this.

Next time you are at the track, stop by and say hello. Don't be scared, it will all work out. And if you are scared of it working out, then definitely stay home.

Anyone have a Le Mons car they don’t want anymore? I want to test an idea.

[Ximian]

I got my first black flag today. To the corner workers, it looked like my instructor had his elbow out the window while holding the handle. We give point bys for passing with our arms well out the window.

I still prefer this than organizers that don’t care much.

[kyippee]

Here's that odd checkered flag / cool down pass at the end of this video

[Bartledoo]

Originally Posted by kpewpew

Here's that odd checkered flag / cool down pass at the end of this video

Geez looked like he was about to put a move on the white BMW in the pits too!

[kyippee]

haha yeah I saw him coming from afar so I had my arm out the window with the pit signal. I guess it was a interpreted as a point by signal or he just wanted to check hot tire temps

[dogbone]

In my opinion, it's up to event organizers to quickly become aware of drivers who are out there for the wrong reasons, and they need to take charge of the situation. All the waivers we sign may make it a no-fault environment, but that doesn't mean we should all throw our hands in the air and just say that whatever happens is fine. We look to an event organizer to set the tone for what will be tolerated. Some organizers drop the hammer hard on crappy behavior. Other organizers sit back and let things happen and don't take charge. I was at one event that said their rule was three offs and you were done. And some guy kept flying off. The organizer was uncomfortable being the hammer. He was actually asking the corner worker what he should say.....didn't want to be a bad guy. But you gotta establish yourself as having standards. Otherwise your track event will become the Wild West.

Driver download meetings can be useful, but have you noticed that the worst offending drivers skip the meetings? PCA Las Vegas did something I've never seen before---they put a mark on everyone's wristband after the driver download meeting after the first session. If you skipped the meeting and didn't get the mark, you weren't going back out on track. Nice.

Also, if you see something unsafe out there, report it. So often, I'll hear someone grumble about something that happened on track, but they don't tell the organizer. You gotta tell them. They don't have eyes everywhere. I've always found organizers to be receptive to feedback about what's happening on track.

[rhyary]

Anyone tried to fit the 265/35/19 on the front?
And 255/35/19?

[OG Shark]

Originally Posted by kpewpew

haha yeah I saw him coming from afar so I had my arm out the window with the pit signal. I guess it was a interpreted as a point by signal or he just wanted to check hot tire temps

Had the same thing at an event with a 235IR when I first started tracking - their reasoning was they lost cooling efficiency when they slowed down. And they ran the novice group which was already a clusterfck with way too many cars - so why not add in some jackhole flying around a bunch of beginners to add to the fun!

[PrimeBMW]

Originally Posted by kpewpew

haha yeah I saw him coming from afar so I had my arm out the window with the pit signal. I guess it was a interpreted as a point by signal or he just wanted to check hot tire temps

Exactly. He wanted hot tire pressures. (Not that it was appropriate)

[M3 Number 86]

Originally Posted by roastbeef

yea, there is risk. some car's tire could blow out and send the car into mine or a wheel could break off and cause me to go off or smash up my car... i get that.

but if i'm doing a casual track day and monitoring mirrors, i shouldn't be on the track with someone going for wheel to wheel gaps and rubbing their tires on my door and squeezing me off into the runoff. i would expect the coordinator to put a stop to that. i think even the flag guys would radio in that there may be a problem. it just isn't the right setting for that and it multiplies the risk.

That's the one thing I have a different issue with on the r8 issues. It was clearly the r8s fault but the frs driver never once looked in his mirrors. His eyes are locked in ahead of him.

[dparm]

Originally Posted by Bartledoo

So, I got a check engine light for code P0116 (Engine Coolant Temperature Sensor 1 Circuit Range/Performance) at the track Friday, when my oil temp was approaching the 250F region. I was running the heater because I figured it would help with cooling and it doesn't bother me with the windows down. I looked at the test condition which prompts the P0116 code, and it is when the coolant temperature sensor measured value + 20°Kelvin (K_TMOT_SK_DELTA) < oil temperature.

Is it possible that keeping the coolant cooler by running the heater can cause the delta between oil temp and coolant temp to trip the code?? Seems like it.

I would agree with that logic. I would never run the heat at the track unless the car was critically overheating and I needed to cool it down immediately.

250F oil temp is not that bad. My M3 used to see 260s, and my Corvette is about the same. You don't need to start worrying until you're nudging 300, IMO.

[dparm]

Originally Posted by rhyary

Anyone tried to fit the 265/35/19 on the front?
And 255/35/19?

255/35R19 fits fine, it's probably what 75% of owners on this board run.

[dparm]

Originally Posted by M3 Number 86

That's the one thing I have a different issue with on the r8 issues. It was clearly the r8s fault but the frs driver never once looked in his mirrors. His eyes are locked in ahead of him.

Agreed, but defensive driving applies in HPDE, too. You have to assume that everyone else on track doesn't see you, won't follow the line, could have a blow-out or brake failure at any instant, etc.

[bigjae1976]

Originally Posted by dogbone

Also, if you see something unsafe out there, report it. So often, I'll hear someone grumble about something that happened on track, but they don't tell the organizer. You gotta tell them. They don't have eyes everywhere. I've always found organizers to be receptive to feedback about what's happening on track.

Well said.

[bigjae1976]

Originally Posted by dparm

Agreed, but defensive driving applies in HPDE, too. You have to assume that everyone else on track doesn't see you, won't follow the line, could have a blow-out or brake failure at any instant, etc.

I think a better way to say what I think you mean is it's the driver's job to anticipate things like that. Checking the rear view often...I can agree that the FRS driver may have some fault...eyes glued forward the entire clip and was totally surprised.

[Bartledoo]

Originally Posted by dparm

I would agree with that logic. I would never run the heat at the track unless the car was critically overheating and I needed to cool it down immediately.

250F oil temp is not that bad. My M3 used to see 260s, and my Corvette is about the same. You don't need to start worrying until you're nudging 300, IMO.

Yea the temp was fine. I just thought it was one of those "can't hurt" things with the extra cooling, but it appears I may have been wrong haha. Interesting plausibility check for the coolant temp sensor though.