Thinking of selling E90 M3 for F85 X5M

[Bigtriece]

Originally Posted by nrubenstein

I'll be honest, I don't really get the whole "high performance SUV" thing. It's an X5. It still drives like an X5. The handling is still bad, and on top of that the ride quality is poor.

If you need an SUV, get an SUV that accepts that it's an SUV.

This.

[SLC Steve]

Originally Posted by highrevs

I’ve been thinking about adding an SUV. Never considered an F85 X5M until I saw this thread and looked up some listings. Any particular reason why 2016s that retailed for $100k base are now going for $45k to $50k with reasonable mileage? They’re out of warranty obviously and my “if it looks too good to be true...” spider sense is kind of tingling. Just curious; hell in this market there are used Kias being marked up $10k.

Out of warranty BMWs drop in value like crazy. Out of warranty BMW's that are not true "M" cars are loved even less and will sink further in value. The cost of maintenance is extraordinarily high.

OP - seriously go drive a 200 series Land Cruiser (2008-current) or Lexus LX 570 (2008 to current). They are the king of all SUVs straight up. Look at the miles listed on some of them and the values they are still selling for. They have always had stupidly high residual values even pre-Covid pricing. The average Land Cruiser owner keeps them for something like 9 years. Longer than any other model car.

[elim11]

I currently have both. I was in love with the aggressive looks of the x5m and the power when I had an extended test drive.

In reality, It doesn't feel as special as an m3. The turbos have a lot to do with it. If I could do it over again I would just get a regular x5 for the space and practicality , and cost.

[genebike]

Originally Posted by exVtekGuy

Buy the x5m for your wife, keep e90 for yourself. But I don't think even x5m is big enough for 3 kids esp when they are older. So, buy minivan for your wife and keep e90.

This is EXACTLY what I did. It was an e90 335i first and as of last month an e90 M3 😎

[GeorgeA]

For the folks saying the X5 isn’t much bigger… where do you get that from? I have one - it’s much bigger than an e90.

E90 is pretty small when it comes to 4 door cars, not that it’s a bad thing (I like smaller cars), but the X5, even the new X3 are a good amount bigger.

[Shrike360]

Originally Posted by GeorgeA

For the folks saying the X5 isn’t much bigger… where do you get that from? I have one - it’s much bigger than an e90.

E90 is pretty small when it comes to 4 door cars, not that it’s a bad thing (I like smaller cars), but the X5, even the new X3 are a good amount bigger.

Yeah, I have no idea what they're on about. I've been in E70, F15 and G05 X5s. They're all bigger than the E90 and E92. At 6'3", I have to straddle the front seat to fit in the rear of my E92 (same story with my E90 335i). I can fit in the back of my Cayenne, legs straight out and have room to spare.

They also don't handle like BoF SUVs of old like some of these people think. My CTT is not comparable to the M3 at max attack, but it would handily beat down my old 335i on a back road, even with tired suspension. It absolutely humiliates the 535xi wagon it replaced.

[akkando]

Originally Posted by GeorgeA

For the folks saying the X5 isn't much bigger… where do you get that from? I have one - it's much bigger than an e90.

E90 is pretty small when it comes to 4 door cars, not that it's a bad thing (I like smaller cars), but the X5, even the new X3 are a good amount bigger.

I think they mean in the context of "does it comfortably fit 5 people?"

It sounds like for both the e90 and X5 the answer is no.

[GeorgeA]

Originally Posted by akkando

I think they mean in the context of "does it comfortably fit 5 people?"

It sounds like for both the e90 and X5 the answer is no.

F15 X5 for example will comfortably fit 5 people. That class of SUV's have gotten pretty big, you can even spec them with a third row.

[gtrsam]

I say don't do it. I had a f15 x5 and hated that thing. Had it for a miserable 8 months. The f series x5 has a terrible ride and ac sucks so bad . Mine had 3rd row seats with the air rear suspension. Not sure about the g series though. I have an e92m3 now and love it. Paired to a model x for my 2 younger boys. I would say keep the e90 and buy a larger suv for 3 kids or minivan

[Longboarder]

I just got an F85 X5M and still have a basically stock e92 M3 DCT comp. No comparison. M3 is soooooo much better except in straight line accel prob neck and neck (but the M3 is a much funner experience at WOT) and of course the X5 has way more room to carry stuff.

[e92BMW///M3]

Originally Posted by akkando

I think they mean in the context of "does it comfortably fit 5 people?"

It sounds like for both the e90 and X5 the answer is no.

Agree, with young kids (2 car seats) neither of them will fit 5 passengers at the same time. The X5 will do a much better job of transporting 4 people and stuff, which probably is stating the obvious.

Originally Posted by Longboarder

I just got an F85 X5M and still have a basically stock e92 M3 DCT comp. No comparison. M3 is soooooo much better except in straight line accel prob neck and neck (but the M3 is a much funner experience at WOT) and of course the X5 has way more room to carry stuff.

Also agree the e92 M3 is a much more engaging experience. Perhaps its the gearing difference or my shitty shifting (6MT) but I would have to say that the X5M feels much quicker in a straight line (E70 X5M). Every other area is hands down to the M3, as you said, from a driving perspective.

[Shrike360]

Originally Posted by e92BMW///M3

Agree, with young kids (2 car seats) neither of them will fit 5 passengers at the same time. The X5 will do a much better job of transporting 4 people and stuff, which probably is stating the obvious.



Also agree the e92 M3 is a much more engaging experience. Perhaps its the gearing difference or my shitty shifting (6MT) but I would have to say that the X5M feels much quicker in a straight line (E70 X5M). Every other area is hands down to the M3, as you said, from a driving perspective.

I think if you're looking for driver engagement with an SUV, the best choice would probably be a 958.1 Cayenne GTS with the big NA V8. The Macan may be better dynamically, but it's so small it's barely any more practical than the M3. It still won't be more engaging or special than the M3 (honestly, I haven't found many cars that are that aren't $100k+), but it would still be a fun drive.

That said, my Cayenne Turbo is probably the best overall car I've ever owned, and I find it quite fun to drive. What did I do with it today? Loaded it up and threw the dog in the back to go to the beach. Sat in highway traffic with adaptive cruise control and the stereo cranked up. Hustled it across the mountain roads like a giant rally car, ACC taking care of the traffic hang ups. Did some light off-roading to get to beach + trails site #1. Let the ACC handle the traffic to beach #2. Drove the fatty across the beach (even with all seasons on), all windows + sunroof open like an overgrown beach buggy slathered in leather. As soon as I got back to the road, took it out of off-road mode and threw ACC back on. Then I used the 600hp to crush traffic on the way back home. Also, only used 3/8th of a tank to cover 160 miles of that

Not much can match winding out an E92 on a backroad, but the flexibility of the super SUVs is so incredible. That's why the Cayenne gets the miles poured onto it, while the M3 waits for those special days.

[e92BMW///M3]

Originally Posted by SLC Steve

Out of warranty BMWs drop in value like crazy. Out of warranty BMW's that are not true "M" cars are loved even less and will sink further in value. The cost of maintenance is extraordinarily high.

The cost of maintenance can be extraordinarily high, and you definitely can't be afraid of a $2-3k repair bill, and really that should be the expectation. But I would say that the cost of ownership is not all that unreasonable. Having owned my 2012 E70 X5M for just over 4 years, my monthly cost (Maint + Depreciation assuming I can get $15k for it) is $650. Compared to a lot of cars, that's not a crazy all in cost of ownership for the performance. I am sure there are other SUVs that are cheaper, more practical and less likely to leave me stranded, but still worth a look if you enjoy the drive.

[pbonsalb]

If paying $650 per month in maintenance, I would consider instead putting that towards a new or newer car. Yes, you would have to add some money on top each month but you can have a newer, faster, more comfortable, more reliable, better handling car.

I also agree that an SUV can be fun. Definitely not an M3, but still entertaining while having some practicality. I think the car you drive the most should be fun to drive. I have never understood why some people park their nice car most of the time and drive a beater instead. I would do it the other way around — drive the nice car and park the beater.

[e92BMW///M3]

Originally Posted by pbonsalb

If paying $650 per month in maintenance, I would consider instead putting that towards a new or newer car. Yes, you would have to add some money on top each month but you can have a newer, faster, more comfortable, more reliable, better handling car.

In my example, lets say its $250 maintenance and roughly $400 depreciation (on average over my ownership) for a total cost of $650. I give the example because I bought my 2012 in 2017 and the OP was considering a 2015 in 2021, so similar points on the depreciation curve for these cars, and perhaps relevant to the OP.

You absolutely could get into a new X5M, but that will likely cost double in just the depreciation alone. Agree, you would get a car that is all the things you mention, though.

[Racer-X]

I’ll like pizza - but thinking about getting a sandwich. You - stranger - tell me what I should do.

[Longboarder]

Originally Posted by nrubenstein

I'll be honest, I don't really get the whole "high performance SUV" thing. It's an X5. It still drives like an X5. The handling is still bad, and on top of that the ride quality is poor.

If you need an SUV, get an SUV that accepts that it's an SUV.

I have two X5's and one is the F85 X5M. Biggest surprise is actually how comfortable it is. Same level of comfort as our newer chassis 2019 X5....and much more comfortable than most of the BMW sedans I've tested recently.

I agree with you on performance. X5M is very slow and handles like crap.