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03-24-2008, 10:13 PM | #926 |
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Okay can we agree the salesman messed up? I don't think the dealer never wanted not to make things right but how to make things right, there are quit a few links in the chain of comand that needed to be contacted. Toss in a weekend to slow response time down and this group of haters to crucify BMW of Lincoln and it really makes this group look bad. I think some rational talk with Fil and he would make things right. In the end Dooma350 will get his car. I hope people will realize that this type of negitive activity only makes the group as a whole look bad, a little persistence and the deal would have gone through. Now all the haters on this group just look stupid.
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03-24-2008, 10:14 PM | #927 |
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yup looks suspicious, you can report shill bidding directly. Let eBay sort it out
If nothing else its very suspicious. You can see the 411 regarding Shill bidding on eBay http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/...l-bidding.html. Then report it here. Independant of the request to stop harrasing the dealer this fake bidder stuf is crapo and if true, should be brought to the attention of teh eBay.
If you look at the bidding by the following users In the last 30 days 5***i and r***c have both placed the 2nd last bids on 3 auctions from the same seller.... hmmm? (Need to sign in to teh eBay to see the list) Item number:230232101590 Item number:230233262304 Item number:230233478083 |
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I'm just going by the sellers history and to me it looks very suspicious. Only Ebay can find out exactly what's going on here. |
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03-24-2008, 10:22 PM | #929 | |
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It was clearly concerted, planned activity by a dealer or one of his reps, to give the dealer a bigger bottom line and trick some buyers into cars. Typical dealer stuff. And probably a crime as well as fraud. |
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OK, looking at this auction:
http://offer.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/...m=230232101590 Checking on the "anon" bidder r***c under this link. http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.d...chOogy5Zook%3D This guy bid: Code:
eBay Motors > Mercedes-Benz 3 Seller 1 18h Home & Garden > Living Room, General Furniture 1 Seller 2 4d 2h eBay Motors > Toyota 4 Seller 1 22h Art > Contemporary (1980-Now) 1 Seller 3 <1h Home & Garden > Portable, Space Heaters 1 Seller 4 <1h eBay Motors > Chevrolet 2 Seller 5 6d eBay Motors > Chevrolet 3 Seller 1 21h http://offer.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/...m=230233478083 http://offer.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/...m=230233262304 Enlighten me on the soul of the american car buyer? Are there people who are so bound to make a deal with a SPECIFIC dealer that they switch from one car type / brand to another wildly? To me it looks like salespeople are encouraged to use their private ebay accounts for their private shopping and shill bidding. Normally someone settles for a car type / brand / price range and then shops from there, instead of sticking to all auctions of one seller. Still, just hints, no smoking gun proof, but anyways... |
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03-24-2008, 10:37 PM | #932 | |
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When they hid the screen names they essentially stopped eBay users from detecting fraud or accurately reporting it. Result is less reported fraud. But not less fraud, just less reported fraud. Keeping the eBay users in the dark is the horrible eBay solution to a problem eBay has found its easier to ignore. If any reporter looking for that big story to make national news is reading this... take a good look into eBays new policies. If you can get some eBay employees to talk you will find they are ignoring fraud so users dont get scared away. Hiding behind the random anonymous screen names eBay sometimes will not even investigate the fraud then tell a user the fraud they reported didn't occur using a form letter/email. The user has no recourse but to trust/believe eBay. And its in eBays best interest to hide this information. If you crack this story you will be working on 20/20 or dateline in no time. |
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I tell you it was my chanting in an earlier post that helped but congratulations! So Ken, as a thank you for our support we want to see you in your new ride so post some pictures as soon as you can |
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03-24-2008, 10:42 PM | #934 | |
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Congratulations, dooma on a great fight, great thread and great car!!! Hooray for the little guy. PIALT
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03-24-2008, 11:10 PM | #940 | |
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Doesn't constitute shill bidding a criminal offense? That bait-and-whatever stuff that was mentioned often in this thread. Someone in the US might want to do a writeup of that thing, point to the old auctions, explain the suspicion and mail the whole shebang to the local district attorney (would have to be done by someone in NE). Or can you not file a criminal suit if you are not the person suffering the damages? I bet the DA can subpoena into releasing the full bidding information and associated IPs. I bet the "shillers" used the computers at work more often than not to bid. Or might this even be a Fed case if VT is operating in multiple states? |
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03-24-2008, 11:13 PM | #941 |
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Awesome! Congrats on your new car. You did it.
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03-24-2008, 11:27 PM | #943 | |
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Its not a lack of data that stops eBay from investigating many fraud reports. It hurts eBay if too much fraud is found. EBay or paypal has to refund payments under their protection plan, EBay & paypal have to refund service fees and the word of mouth from so may members suspecting fraud was killing eBays image - that drove down the number of users which drove down revenue & hurt the stock price. The new policies and fees were put in place to limit the fraud reports, stop users from checking up on eBay in their fraud investigations and increase revenue through a modified fee structure. Ebay also changed how feedback worked so negative comments dont play a role which in effect is helping more fraud on the site. But ebay & paypal get their cut even if its fraud so its in ebays best interest to drive up sales on the site even if its at the cost of its honest members. Like I wrote earlier, there is a huge story for a reporter that can crack the walls of ebay and get the scoop. Ebay can thank Lincoln BMW for any reporter that gets their story idea from this thread. After all this thread wouldn't exist if the Lincoln BMW stealership didn't try to screw over the OP |
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Sorry to hear about the unfortunate circumstance, I hope the deal goes through in your favor and the dealership is able to regain some of their dignity by sticking to the deal.
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Dealerships are regulated by the Dept of Motor Vehicles in California. I would go to them about this.
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If fraud is really 1% what good reason would eBay have from hiding information from users that would help them detect fraud (negative feedback & bidding history). The evidence is out there. I'm with you and would like to see a reporter crack this story. |
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