What does the next generation M3 need to do to be successful in your eyes?

[KGB7]

Originally Posted by radiantm3

Considering almost everything is an option, I don't see how that affects someone who doesn't want options.

Then you should ask the person who doesnt want a back up camera.

[JulieDriving]

Originally Posted by Wall$treet

-twin turbo 6 cylinder engine with ouput of 450-475hp/375 foot pounds
-weight will be 3600-3800 (it will be pretty much the same weight or a few pounds more-no way it will be any lighter.
-will be faster to 60 and the quarter mile and the ring times faster
-it will have less power than the competing MB
-it will NOT have electric steering-given m5 and m6 do not
-it will continue to apply more gadgets and tech-most people like this stuff
-will have dct and manual options

If the car can achieve these objectives, and be more powerful (if only to keep up with the competitors - image thing), be more efficient (everyone wants better gas mileage), handle just as well if not better, and look great...

the next M3 will be a success in my books.

I am not expecting miracles. No other manufacturer can perform them either. I'm sure there are similar "wish lists" on Porsche forums, MB forums, and fans complain about this and that about those cars too.

Less weight and a smaller package will come from the next M2.

[ChrisK]

Two things are already set in stone.

The next gen price increase and the longer body.

[cghempel]

As previously stated in this thread, the basic characteristics/features of the new M3 are to be no surprise. That being said, do I think it will be a successful car for BMW and the BMW community/buyers? In one word...yes.

Despite the fact that it will most likely have a twin (or tri) turbo 6 cylinder power plant, I still believe that it will have the (insert soul, essence, character, or whatever you like here) that M cars are known for. Sure it will not have a high revving NA power plant that we all know and love, but I believe that BMW will still make it a wonderful car. I mean the 1M has a turbo motor and it is getting great reviews....

Just my $0.02.

[radiantm3]

Originally Posted by cghempel

As previously stated in this thread, the basic characteristics/features of the new M3 are to be no surprise. That being said, do I think it will be a successful car for BMW and the BMW community/buyers? In one word...yes.

Despite the fact that it will most likely have a twin (or tri) turbo 6 cylinder power plant, I still believe that it will have the (insert soul, essence, character, or whatever you like here) that M cars are known for. Sure it will not have a high revving NA power plant that we all know and love, but I believe that BMW will still make it a wonderful car. I mean the 1M has a turbo motor and it is getting great reviews....

Just my $0.02.

Yup. But with most people complaining that the M3 is getting too big and heavy, moving to an I6 TT will make it less attractive. The S65 is the main reason most people prefer the M3 over the 1M Coupe. Without that, enthusiasts will most likely pick the lighter, smaller package assuming performance numbers are similar.

[Mr. ///M3 RD]

Originally Posted by KGB7

Its not about weight, its about pointless options and gadgets.

+1 ... However, pointless options and gadgets as you know = extra weight

[silent06]

Originally Posted by KGB7

Its not about weight, its about pointless options and gadgets.

The addition of backup cameras is one option BMW and other car manufacturers will ultimately have no control over due to government mandate.

The final ruling of the Cameron Gulbransen Kids Transportation Safety Act is delayed but would and still may require all vehicles to be equipped with backup cameras by 2014.

http://news.consumerreports.org/cars...ansen-act.html

[KKM3]

Why does everyone think the m3 is heavy? Geez, get over it. The car is lighter than anything else in it's class, it also feels way lighter than it's actual weight suggests. Hell, I have a 911 carrera and an m3 and can not tell which car handles better even though the Porsche weighs a lot less. The current m3 is remarkable, give it some credit.

[CrazyIvan]

Originally Posted by S.hasan546

exactly. This is the only reason i bought the 1M. I pray that the next M3 will be lighter and a back to basics car. Get rid of DCT too. Maybe than all these vaginas will either go get an audi or learn how to drive a real car

Before you make stataments like this, you should consider some of enthusiasts happen to only have 1 arm and DCT is the only choice I have. If I could I would buy manual M3 in a heartbeat. That was the biggest deal breaker on 1M for me. Fortunately, DCT is a fantastic transmission and lets me enjoy M3 to the fullest.

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[AngelinIsRich08]

Originally Posted by KGB7

Then you should ask the person who doesnt want a back up camera.

I love back up cameras. It's so much easier to park and get out of tight spots.

[heart_doctor]

1. More horsepower and torque.

2. Better, more reliable engine (S65 will be tough to beat)

3. Lighter

4. Better handling & suspension

5. Better manual gearbox (DCT ok also for those of you who can't use your left foot .. just kidding)

6. Better lines than the current M3.

7. More of a sports car, less of a "grand touring" car.

Don't get me wrong, I love my current M3, I plan on keeping it and getting the new version a few years into production, once bugs are worked out!!

[-=Hot|Ice=-]

Originally Posted by AngelinIsRich08

I love back up cameras. It's so much easier to park and get out of tight spots.

It has no place on an M car. It's fun and hunky dory on our 11' X5. ///M cars don't need that stuff. We'll probably be seeing a lot of cars on the lots of this tech loaded up with 'great' deals. Unfortunately, that's the future.

[1MOREMOD]

I would like stiffer control ie steering, clutch, brake and shifter action in addition to lower weight. Oh and maybe a huge ricey wing. Just kidding

[k5ng]

Originally Posted by heart_doctor

1. More horsepower and torque.

2. Better, more reliable engine (S65 will be tough to beat)

3. Lighter

4. Better handling & suspension

5. Better manual gearbox (DCT ok also for those of you who can't use your left foot .. just kidding)

6. Better lines than the current M3.

7. More of a sports car, less of a "grand touring" car.

Don't get me wrong, I love my current M3, I plan on keeping it and getting the new version a few years into production, once bugs are worked out!!

+1, well put!

[killaseason22]

Please just more horsepower and torque I don't want a gt mustang or 392 srt8 charger keeping up with me!!

[-=Hot|Ice=-]

Originally Posted by killaseason22

Please just more horsepower and torque I don't want a gt mustang or 392 srt8 charger keeping up with me!!

The M3 was never about HP and torque. It was about balance and feedback. It always bested said mustangs and chargers on the track...where it mattered. The competition has caught up...for now.

[SlamMan]

It sounds like so many of you would be happier in the 1M or the or the M2 if it's a worthy successor.

[IFX]

Originally Posted by KGB7

Its not about weight, its about pointless options and gadgets.

i made a thread about having all the "extra" stuff in these cars..

you should search it, ended up getting flamed because my parents bought my car...



of course, that was expected though.

[-=Hot|Ice=-]

Originally Posted by IFX

i made a thread about having all the "extra" stuff in these cars..

you should search it, ended up getting flamed because my parents bought my car...



of course, that was expected though.

Things are much sweeter when you've bought them yourself. There's a new appreciation for it. No flaming here. Just my opinion.

Back on topic:

I wanted to add brakes...better brakes...While the single piston brakes are fine for the street, they can't hold up on the track for long. Better brakes and pads would be nice.

[IFX]

Originally Posted by -=Hot|Ice=-

Things are much sweeter when you've bought them yourself. There's a new appreciation for it. No flaming here. Just my opinion.

Back on topic:

I wanted to add brakes...better brakes...While the single piston brakes are fine for the street, they can't hold up on the track for long. Better brakes and pads would be nice.

I do agree, but i'am/was fortunate enough for them to buy me it. And i do appreciate it, ask anyone who has seen my car in person.


And i forgot to mention brakes earlier as well.. They need to upgrade that pathetic 1 piston set-up. the 135i brakes look 10x more attractive than an M car.. I'm stunned BMW would do such a thing.

[Erhan]

Since I know they have to please their soccer mom customer base, I have no hope what so ever that they will deliver anything remotely close to what I want. Only thing I can hope is that they will have striped out version.. At least that might be on the low 3000lbs. But then, they will charge 100k for that. So in short, there is nothing they can do to make me want one (forget about buying).

[Sy546]

Originally Posted by KKM3

Why does everyone think the m3 is heavy? Geez, get over it. The car is lighter than anything else in it's class, it also feels way lighter than it's actual weight suggests. Hell, I have a 911 carrera and an m3 and can not tell which car handles better even though the Porsche weighs a lot less. The current m3 is remarkable, give it some credit.

Yes 4000 lbs. is sooooo lightweight . Who said it wasn't lighter than anything in it's class? We're just comparing it to the true sports cars (e30/e36/e46/s2000;etc) we all grew up loving. All you e9x owners talk about M heritage and NA motors but than fail to acknowledge that the e9x M went against it's heritage with the immense weight gain it went through. AND it doesn't help that it also handles and feels very soft. If you can't tell the difference between a carrera and a m3 you have a problem. I felt a big difference between the 1M and M3 in just terms of weight & "flickable-ness"

The current m3 is a luxury sports car to me. I give it credit for what it is. A GT cruiser. I do not give it credit like the e30/e36/e46, which created the cult like following of BMW M division.