Stage 2 M3, a mistake?

ciges · 01-11-2019, 06:41 PM

Stage 1 = spun rod bearings.
Stage 2 = spun main bearings.

kpetelski · 01-11-2019, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by da jemster

Stage 2 from?

I rather not name them in the public forum, but they are a shop around the Atlanta,GA area. If you are still interested PM me.

kpetelski · 01-11-2019, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Grip Addict

Whenever someone says "Stage" and a number I cringe.

That is what the tune shop called it when they told me what was done on the car. I know its not a defined term. Lesson learned; don't use it on this forum.

wyatth · 01-11-2019, 10:00 PM

Meh, in the NA sense, stage 2 here is commonly known as a primary cat delete + tune.

GotV8? · 01-11-2019, 10:16 PM

I prefer Stage "M" lol, welcome and enjoy your M!!!

spazzyfry123 · 01-12-2019, 05:00 AM

Good looking car. Whereabouts in Georgia?

Makaveli7 · 01-12-2019, 05:44 AM

Just enjoy her man - she will crawl so deep under you skin that you wont accept any other. Had mine since 2009 and wouldnt trade her for anything. the lack of torque is there but isnt an issue when you really want to push it hard. Congrats on the new machine!

Makaveli7 · 01-12-2019, 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Grip Addict

Whenever someone says "Stage" and a number I cringe.

and then you have the people who add the plus plus after that

scrammer · 01-12-2019, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Makaveli7

Just enjoy her man - she will crawl so deep under you skin that you wont accept any other. Had mine since 2009 and wouldnt trade her for anything. the lack of torque is there but isnt an issue when you really want to push it hard. Congrats on the new machine!

You don't have to "push it hard" all of the time; just be in the correct gear.
I keep my DCT in manual mode with engine never below 3k rpm and ready to down-shift as required.
If you are putting around at 1500 rpm and up-shifting at 4500 you will be unimpressed.
At the same time I don't think you have to 'Stage 2 It' at 8500 every shift to have fun with your car.

kpetelski · 01-13-2019, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by spazzyfry123

Good looking car. Whereabouts in Georgia?

Thanks. Atlanta(midtown/downtown)

Get lit · 01-13-2019, 10:07 PM

Ran the shit out of my e90 m3 with Bpmsport “stage 2” tune. Never any issues! Had 107k on it and engine was tight as a tic, original rod bearings too!

spazzyfry123 · 01-14-2019, 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by kpetelski

Thanks. Atlanta(midtown/downtown)

Good to see more popping up. Brookhaven for now, but I think we'll be moving back to the lake.

MikeyDawg · 01-14-2019, 08:25 AM

The main issue Ive seen with a stage 2 car (catless) ... is getting it to pass emissions.

Everything I've read suggests that the cats will never show as "ready" even with a tune from most all tuners... Evolve seems to be the only tuner that sets cats as ready from what I have read.

Can you guys confirm that my assumptions above are correct? A couple of the Ms I have been looking at buying are catless (one with BPM tune) and it appears from what Ive read, getting them to pass emissions in GA is a no go...

tony093 · 01-14-2019, 02:32 PM

I passed emission twice so far with stage 2 from BPM

SAMM3Y · 01-14-2019, 02:50 PM

I failed in California for a computer not ready with a turner shark tune and HFC's. I then went back to 240e drove for about 50 miles and left anti-foulers on the rear o2 sensors and it passed. The smog guy was a young kid though who was suppose to fail it based on visual. They don't f around in California... it's so annoying.

MikeyDawg · 01-14-2019, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by tony093

I passed emission twice so far with stage 2 from BPM

Do your testing centers allow any of the cat "readiness" indicators to not be ready to pass you?

Ive seen some states are more lenient on this than others.

tony093 · 01-14-2019, 04:05 PM

Yes they have to be ready...I'm in New Jersey

Bruuuce · 01-14-2019, 04:31 PM

nice car, congrats.

Mvy · 01-14-2019, 04:39 PM

You can have one sensor not ready in GA and pass. Carly lets you check before you go get emissions so you know what you have before you go. they do inspect for cats so if stage 2 to you means no cats, you wont pass without them. HFC are hit or miss depending on the # of cells and your tune.

OneSickM · 01-14-2019, 11:12 PM

Why most poster here deviating from OP question. His inquiry is clear. Does stage 2 have any stress or potential issue long run on engine or not? He did not ask about emissions that most are referring to?

SAMM3Y · 01-15-2019, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by OneSickM

Why most poster here deviating from OP question. His inquiry is clear. Does stage 2 have any stress or potential issue long run on engine or not? He did not ask about emissions that most are referring to?

He doesn't say "engine" problems, he says "long term problems". I'll argue smogging a "stage 2" car can be a long term problem especially if you don't have the ability to re-tune and switch back to a factory x-pipe at home. It'll cost $ as well as time to do that every two years..

OneSickM · 01-15-2019, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by SAMM3Y

He doesn't say "engine" problems, he says "long term problems". I'll argue smogging a "stage 2" car can be a long term problem especially if you don't have the ability to re-tune and switch back to a factory x-pipe at home. It'll cost $ as well as time to do that every two years..

False. He specifically said stage 2 tune. If it was emissions’ concern, he would have asked about xpipe as well.

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Makaveli7 Enthusiast 117 Rep 150 Posts Drives: M3 E92 Jerez Black Join Date: May 2012 Location: Dubai iTrader: (0)	Just enjoy her man - she will crawl so deep under you skin that you wont accept any other. Had mine since 2009 and wouldnt trade her for anything. the lack of torque is there but isnt an issue when you really want to push it hard. Congrats on the new machine! __________________ '08 JB E92 m3 // CCB Brakes // ESS 625 // https://www.instagram.com/makaveli777/
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MikeyDawg Second Lieutenant 210 Rep 231 Posts Drives: 2009 E90 - MT Join Date: Oct 2018 Location: GA iTrader: (1)	The main issue Ive seen with a stage 2 car (catless) ... is getting it to pass emissions. Everything I've read suggests that the cats will never show as "ready" even with a tune from most all tuners... Evolve seems to be the only tuner that sets cats as ready from what I have read. Can you guys confirm that my assumptions above are correct? A couple of the Ms I have been looking at buying are catless (one with BPM tune) and it appears from what Ive read, getting them to pass emissions in GA is a no go...
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01-14-2019, 02:32 PM	#36
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01-14-2019, 02:50 PM	#37
SAMM3Y Colonel 3085 Rep 2,747 Posts Drives: 2008 m3 Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: NorCal iTrader: (2)	I failed in California for a computer not ready with a turner shark tune and HFC's. I then went back to 240e drove for about 50 miles and left anti-foulers on the rear o2 sensors and it passed. The smog guy was a young kid though who was suppose to fail it based on visual. They don't f around in California... it's so annoying. __________________ 9ers
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