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      08-03-2018, 11:27 AM   #23
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NK has launched missiles. Do you perhaps mean with a munition?
I mean Trump is saying there "hasnt been a missile test since his summit". I think NK will launch one.
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Trump is completely unhinged and turning his own citizens agains the free press. He incites violence, divides his people and lies at levels never seen before. He is very likely obstructing justice to hide the fact he conspired with a foreign government to help get himself into power.

Yea, he is doing damage to your country that will probably take a generation to undo. He is easily among the crowd of the worst.
Lol. Thanks for illustrating my case.

If you think that Mr. Trump is among the worst you're clearly in the group of the unhinged. Nothing personal.

Let's look at your post.
1. Turning his citizens against the free press: The press has demonstrated a clear and consistent bias for a particular point of view with the self-same journalists having an over 90% identification a being liberal-progressive. A biased press is, by definition, not free and descends into a propaganda machine. (Please don't ask me to prove it as I've done so multiple times.)

2. He incites violence: I suggest you look at the demonstrations immediately after the election and after the inauguration and revisit your thought process here. The objective reality is that the left incites the most violence of this sort in our country. I suggest you do further research.

3. Divides his people: See 1 and 2, above.

4. He lies at levels never seen before: You clearly missed the previous administration.

5. He is very likely obstructing justice to hide the fact he conspired with a foreign government to help get himself into power: Please see 1. Until he is impeached, this is all media speculation. Wait for it to unfold.

I quite like you and count you as one of the smarter and more thoughtful members here. I ask you to rethink what you wrote and look at the evidence...especially with respect to violence and an active comparison of Mr. Trump to murderers and dictators. It's unseemly and you're much better than this.

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      08-03-2018, 01:00 PM   #25
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Lol. Thanks for illustrating my case.

If you think that Mr. Trump is among the worst you're clearly in the group of the unhinged. Nothing personal.

Let's look at your post.
1. Turning his citizens against the free press: The press has demonstrated a clear and consistent bias for a particular point of view with the self-same journalists having an over 90% identification a being liberal-progressive. A biased press is, by definition, not free and descends into a propaganda machine. (Please don't ask me to prove it as I've done so multiple times.)
I agree with you that much of the press is bias, but they arn't the enemy of the people. Its important that they're free to report and cast their views. Sure, I agree that sometimes CNN is bias and focuses on unimportant issues overblowing their importance i.e. plastic guns, BUT I believe the vast majority of what they focus and report on is trump's own tweets and words, and because most of the time they are so full of lies and idiocy it makes Trump look bad, and to Trump negative news = fake news. CNN has bias, but watching Trump's supporter scream, yell and curse CNN like they are the enemy is troubling. Lets be honest here FOX is more bias then CNN, but FOX isn't the enemy anymore then CNN is. They should both be allowed to question Trump.

Ask yourself why do people hold "CNN Sucks Signs" and not "Fox Sucks Signs"? Both are bias, right? Is it because a.) Trump supporters are angry CNN honestly mostly makes "fake news" or b.) CNN tends to make Trump look bad using his own words? Be honest here FOX at best ignores Trumps lies, and worst validates and repeats them which in turn causes Trump to believe them.

Its time to be honest about the battle against the media. Let them be bias, but calling them the enemy of the people is what dictators do, not what leaders of a beacon for a free and democratic society does.

The reason why I hate Trump so much primarily comes down to one core issue to me: I hold people accountable to what they say and do. Trump is off the charts untrustworthy and clearly only thinks and cares about whats best for Trump. I believe he is using his supporters. Its sad to see them simply repeat his words without a minute of critical thinking.

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2. He incites violence: I suggest you look at the demonstrations immediately after the election and after the inauguration and revisit your thought process here. The objective reality is that the left incites the most violence of this sort in our country. I suggest you do further research.
The left has issues for sure and are frankly lack complete common sense and ownership. They are hypocritical when it comes to inciting violence no question, but you can't keep using the argument of "look at the other guy" to justify someone else actions. Why can't Trump supporters say both the left and the right need to smarten the fuck up because we expect our leaders to act better?

With that said there is a lot of energy behind the curtain for racial HATE in America and Trump knows and uses that. He has blown the dog whistle countless times and there is Zero excuse for it. I have been alive and away for Clinton, Bush, Obama and Trump and only Trump has done zero to try and unite people. He only speaks to his base and gives a finger to the rest of the country.

I also believe Trump is a racist. You can disagree with me on that if you want, but my opinion spams much further back than his run for president.


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4. He lies at levels never seen before: You clearly missed the previous administration.
There is a difference here. Everyone knows politicians lie, and unfortunately we have to live with a certain level of it, but people need to wake up and see that Trump lies so much thats its nearly impossible to know who the man actually is. He lies to his wife, children, and base of supporters with zero regret. He really is a despicable human being, and yet his supporters act as if he can do now wrong. Really MK why is that?

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5. He is very likely obstructing justice to hide the fact he conspired with a foreign government to help get himself into power: Please see 1. Until he is impeached, this is all media speculation. Wait for it to unfold.
Agreed. Im guilty of already coming to a conclusion, and will admit I'm wrong if the investigation shows nothing. With that said its one thing to wait for things to unfold, and its another to call the investigation a sham and Mueller a traitor. Both sides should maybe hold back conclusions and take your advice.

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I quite like you and count you as one of the smarter and more thoughtful members here. I ask you to rethink what you wrote and look at the evidence...especially with respect to violence and an active comparison of Mr. Trump to murderers and dictators. It's unseemly and you're much better than this.
I like you too and keep coming back to this forum because of the people who have different opinions then me. I even like Anglo, delta, sakhirM4, and many others. Maybe just not NickyC buts thats just because I find his posts boring, unthought provoking and repetitive.

Ill admit looking back I take back that I put Trump in the same category as Hitler, Stalin etc. He isn't that bad - not even close. When i originally wrote it I was thinking modern day leaders and more specifically ones from developed countries.

MK answer this one question for me honestly: If Obama had all the same controversy circling him including a special investigation, campaign manager on trial, poor values proven by cheating on his wife and family, calling the press (1st anyone?) the enemy of the people etc etc etc. Would you be sticking up for the actions even though you disagreed with his political views?

Thanks for taking the time for posting a great previous response.
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What is defined as the free press?

With the insertion of the internet and social media is the "free press" even relevant?

With more people cutting the cord or becoming turned off by media hysteria, when does the free press become irrelevant?

Some could easily craft and argument that the death of journalism happened long before Trump was even a household name.
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predictions

1. Republicans and Dems will continue this retarded game they are playing

2. Independent Party gets a candidate that actually has a shot cause everyone is fed up with #1.

3. Nothing comes of the Russia thing.

4. NK stays the same. Out of sight and just lobbing insults, not missiles.

5. Russian Vodka prices tank

6. Everyone realizes the Tariff scare was just that, a scare, not a reality.

7. Off Topic Political Section has split off into its own website
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predictions

1. Republicans and Dems will continue this retarded game they are playing

2. Independent Party gets a candidate that actually has a shot cause everyone is fed up with #1.

3. Nothing comes of the Russia thing.

4. NK stays the same. Out of sight and just lobbing insults, not missiles.

5. Russian Vodka prices tank

6. Everyone realizes the Tariff scare was just that, a scare, not a reality.

7. Off Topic Political Section has split off into its own website
Regarding #7.....

Can we start a poll to sticky a thread dedicated to DC mom site? Maybe said site should be the alternate to political thread.
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My prediction:

The sun will come up, followed by increasing darkness. Also, there will be a temperature high for the day, followed by a temperature low.

Repeat.
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predictions

1. Republicans and Dems will continue this retarded game they are playing

Sure, forever. Never solves anything, except to line their pockets.

2. Independent Party gets a candidate that actually has a shot cause everyone is fed up with #1.

Not likely, but fun to think about.

3. Nothing comes of the Russia thing.

No. The Russia thing will eventually nail a lot of balls to the wall. Wait, don't argue. It will happen.

4. NK stays the same. Out of sight and just lobbing insults, not missiles.

NK will likely not launch nuke missiles, but will always use them for leverage and threats. And, NK will never get rid of their nuke missiles. Never. Instead, lies.

5. Russian Vodka prices tank

Who cares.

6. Everyone realizes the Tariff scare was just that, a scare, not a reality.

Actually, reality. I'm a longtime RC modeler fan. As of late, much of our RC goodies come from China. The tariffs are already hitting our hobby; up to 25%. But sure, it's just a hobby so, so what. Oh wait, the tariffs are also hitting our US of A agriculture. Goes both ways, dude.

7. Off Topic Political Section has split off into its own website
Carry on. Or, carry nation. Or something.
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My prediction:

The sun will come up, followed by increasing darkness. Also, there will be a temperature high for the day, followed by a temperature low.

Repeat.
I predict some days you wont see the sun follow by rain and snow
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In no particular order...

1. President Trump will be impeached and jailed for the rest of his life. In his place the DNC will appoint President Hillary Clinton.

2. The Trump family will surrender all possessions and bankrupted. To make ends meet Ivanka Trump will begin stripping at a small all-nude gentleman's club in New Jersey.

3. The US will abandon its capitalist system and employ a "democratic socialist" system where the federal government seizes control of countless industries.

4. The US will no longer recognize its borders, and thus no longer need Border Patrol or ICE.

5. Firearms possession will become a capital offense. Mass revocation of firearms will take place with the only exceptions being political leaders, the well connected, and those protecting them from the general public.

6. Hate speech laws will have been implemented where any deviation from federally-established truths will be severely prosecuted.

7. Privately owned vehicles will be severely taxed to discourage ownership, and to push people towards mass transit options. Vehicles with an ICE will be outlawed outright with mandatory confiscation and destruction at the owners expense.

8. The United Nations will have become a new, equal branch of the US government.

9. Right-leaning/conservative SCOTUS Justices will be removed with replacements nominated by Media Matters and the Democratic Socialist party.

10. White males will no longer be allowed to be in law enforcement, or the justice system at any level.

11. Christianity will be considered a hate group.






Then the far-left will wake up with a wet, sticky crotch and realize it was all just a dream.
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In no particular order...

1. President Trump will be impeached and jailed for the rest of his life. In his place the DNC will appoint President Hillary Clinton.

2. The Trump family will surrender all possessions and bankrupted. To make ends meet Ivanka Trump will begin stripping at a small all-nude gentleman's club in New Jersey.

3. The US will abandon its capitalist system and employ a "democratic socialist" system where the federal government seizes control of countless industries.

4. The US will no longer recognize its borders, and thus no longer need Border Patrol or ICE.

5. Firearms possession will become a capital offense. Mass revocation of firearms will take place with the only exceptions being political leaders, the well connected, and those protecting them from the general public.

6. Hate speech laws will have been implemented where any deviation from federally-established truths will be severely prosecuted.

7. Privately owned vehicles will be severely taxed to discourage ownership, and to push people towards mass transit options. Vehicles with an ICE will be outlawed outright with mandatory confiscation and destruction at the owners expense.

8. The United Nations will have become a new, equal branch of the US government.

9. Right-leaning/conservative SCOTUS Justices will be removed with replacements nominated by Media Matters and the Democratic Socialist party.

10. White males will no longer be allowed to be in law enforcement, or the justice system at any level.

11. Christianity will be considered a hate group.






Then the far-left will wake up with a wet, sticky crotch and realize it was all just a dream.


You made my morning. We are currently in Budapest and I was just researching the Hungarian Governments hardcore no migrant policies. Very interesting. They let one migrant In per day. They also passed an Anti-Soros law.

The Hungarians would like to keep their culture/Christianity.

Their solution is to help the migrants where they live. Seems quite reasonable.
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1.) Trump supporters try and argue the point that colluding with Russia isn't bad.

2.) Trump goes from "no collusion" to "Collusion isn't illegal and might actually be a good thing. No one has ever colluded better then me in the history of the world."

3.) Harvey Weinstein is found dead.

4.) Putin still has the "winning" smirk on his face.

5.) Republicans stay silent and let Trump continue to destroy their brand

6.) Democrats still find a way to loose against republicans even with the worst leader in history destroying the country and its values

7.) Trudeau does nothing worth noting or of value.

8.) exactly 0 people die as a result of 3D printed guns. Maybe 1 from someone dumb enough to use one.

9.) #metoo disappears completely

10.) NK launches a missle.
I think we can be sure only in point 4 completely ))
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I predict that people will argue over politics and it will make no difference.
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Trump is completely unhinged and turning his own citizens agains the free press. He incites violence, divides his people and lies at levels never seen before. He is very likely obstructing justice to hide the fact he conspired with a foreign government to help get himself into power.

Yea, he is doing damage to your country that will probably take a generation to undo. He is easily among the crowd of the worst.
LMGDAO @ "He incites violence"!!!! So a bunch of snowflakes that can't handle losing burning down all the Starbucks they can find since the election is somehow his fault? Not a huge fan, but if you anyone but the liberals inciting violence then your eyes are closed or behind rose colored glasses.
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You made my morning. We are currently in Budapest and I was just researching the Hungarian Governments hardcore no migrant policies. Very interesting. They let one migrant In per day. They also passed an Anti-Soros law.
So how exactly ended your ancestors up in the USA?
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Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon and Ford were all responsible, in part, for sending us to war ( a/k/a police action) in Vietnam costing the country over 50k lives and billions of dollars in order to " stop communism ". So while Trump may be " talking" to communist like Russia ,NK and China , past leaders have tried to bomb them into oblivion. Let's face it...most politicians are self serving ass clowns who care more about polls and profits than people...party affiliation is irrelevant.

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