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      05-25-2020, 02:15 PM   #1
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Contemplating trading in my e92 m3

I know this topic has been talked about over and over again but I'm still torn after reading the forum and watching all these YouTube videos.

I have a 2013 zcp e92 m3 with 29k miles.

A local dealership just took in a 2016 f80 m3 with only 28k miles. Nicely equipped.

Pros and cons? I hear stories about people coming back.

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I know this topic has been talked about over and over again but I'm still torn after reading the forum and watching all these YouTube videos.

I have a 2013 zcp e92 m3 with 29k miles.

A local dealership just took in a 2016 f80 m3 with only 28k miles. Nicely equipped.

Pros and cons? I hear stories about people coming back.

Lead me to the light!!
Go drive it and decide.
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I know this topic has been talked about over and over again but I'm still torn after reading the forum and watching all these YouTube videos.

I have a 2013 zcp e92 m3 with 29k miles.

A local dealership just took in a 2016 f80 m3 with only 28k miles. Nicely equipped.

Pros and cons? I hear stories about people coming back.

Lead me to the light!!
Go drive it and decide.
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I know this topic has been talked about over and over again but I'm still torn after reading the forum and watching all these YouTube videos.

I have a 2013 zcp e92 m3 with 29k miles.

A local dealership just took in a 2016 f80 m3 with only 28k miles. Nicely equipped.

Pros and cons? I hear stories about people coming back.

Lead me to the light!!
Go drive it and decide.
Definitely will. I just don't wanna regret it long term.
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I know this topic has been talked about over and over again but I'm still torn after reading the forum and watching all these YouTube videos.

I have a 2013 zcp e92 m3 with 29k miles.

A local dealership just took in a 2016 f80 m3 with only 28k miles. Nicely equipped.

Pros and cons? I hear stories about people coming back.

Lead me to the light!!
A tough call for sure. I've been watching f80 and e92 prices. With the G80 on the horizon the f80 is likely to devalue a bit. Hard to replicate the dynamics of your car nowadays. If I was to get something new the M2C s about the only car I would trade for. Please pm me if you sell your 2013 in the PNW
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I know this topic has been talked about over and over again but I'm still torn after reading the forum and watching all these YouTube videos.

I have a 2013 zcp e92 m3 with 29k miles.

A local dealership just took in a 2016 f80 m3 with only 28k miles. Nicely equipped.

Pros and cons? I hear stories about people coming back.

Lead me to the light!!
maybe rent one in turo or see if the dealer will let you take it for a couple days.


With the f80 you'll probably get more reliability, updated tech, better chassis and diff, a faster motor and car, more torque to can feel, better brakes, oil up to temp faster, more aggressive looking, arguably better interior and more space, and better gas milage.

You'll lose steering feel, induction noise, V8, exhaust, higher revving, smaller size, more linear feeling motor, pulling harder the more you rev, and character.


I think honestly the biggest upside is reliability and the chassis and torque make the car more fun at lower speeds or when the engine is still cold. Character of the s65 goes a long way though.
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I have an F80 CS along my E90 and E92. I've also driven the m2c.

For the street, E9X 100%. The advantage I see to the F8X generation is limited to the race track, but those advantages do not translate well to street use.
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Last Sept I sold my daily driven 2016 F80 to my best friend. 8 months later I was lucky enough to acquire a low mile 2011 ZCP 6MT Stripper.

For convenience, tech and farts, the F80 is good.

For driving experience and smiles per gallon as a weekender, E92.

They visited today and both were in my driveway.
I am happy to report that while I enjoyed the F80, I LOVE my E92. It's not going anywhere.
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I owned a launch 2015 M3 and a Comp pack M4 after owning my first two e9x. I thought the comp pack would fix all the issues of the launch car (sound, numbness, power band feel) but it didn't. I just got no love for the new model after 40k miles of seat time.

They do look good. Thats about all the new cars are worth to me.



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I have an F80 CS along my E90 and E92. I've also driven the m2c.

For the street, E9X 100%. The advantage I see to the F8X generation is limited to the race track, but those advantages do not translate well to street use.
To me its the exact opposite. The torque and fanciness make the F8x a good street car but if Im out railing on something I want the visceral experience of the e9x.
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Modern BMW steering sucks a big bag of dicks. If I was to get an F series, it would be for the wife's daily.
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Modern BMW steering sucks a big bag of dicks. If I was to get an F series, it would be for the wife's daily.
Man I wish I could have my LMB e92 ZCP I traded in for my M4 back....

2011.75, 35k miles, mint in and out...
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Modern BMW steering sucks a big bag of dicks. If I was to get an F series, it would be for the wife's daily.
Man I wish I could have my LMB e92 ZCP I traded in for my M4 back....

2011.75, 35k miles, mint in and out...
OP- And there's your real world experience from someone who did it.
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Man I wish I could have my LMB e92 ZCP I traded in for my M4 back....

2011.75, 35k miles, mint in and out...
Dang, long time no see dude. You ever replace the M's with anything?

Regarding trading the E9x, the only car I'd consider would be the M2C. That car is good fun, and even then I think it would only be to add. Th E9x M3 still ticks way too many boxes for me.
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This is your problem. No one is going to be able to tell you what you'll like. Take it for a test drive and see what you think. The F8x cars drive a fair amount differently than our cars. Some people like the F8X more and others like the E9X more.

If you test drive an F8X and still can't make heads or tails of it, see if you can Turo one for a weekend. And if you still can't figure it out after a couple of days behind the wheel, the F8X probably isn't worth getting.
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I have an F80 CS along my E90 and E92. I've also driven the m2c.

For the street, E9X 100%. The advantage I see to the F8X generation is limited to the race track, but those advantages do not translate well to street use.
What advantage to the F8X do you see?
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I have an F80 CS along my E90 and E92. I've also driven the m2c.

For the street, E9X 100%. The advantage I see to the F8X generation is limited to the race track, but those advantages do not translate well to street use.
that is interesting, i'd argue the opposite. e9x lives in the upper rpm's at the track and doesn't feel like a fast car without the low end torque. the f80 has a broader torque range.
obviously, you're observation holds more weight because you actually own both.

on a side note, when i did one of those M track days at thermal club, the m2 was my favorite car there.
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and the E9X feels like a luxury cruiser compared to the E46..... with every generation, cars get bigger, heavier, more electronics etc that take away from the driving experience. IMO E9X is the last true M car with a beautiful motor and it sounds like you have a great example. They're becoming harder to find, unlike the F chassis M cars which are dime a dozen.
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What advantage to the F8X do you see?
It is much more powerful. This translates very well to the track, where you have predetermined shift points and can be WOT for 15 seconds at a time.

In the real world, all you get is no response no response no response then holy moly response.
I've done some back to backs in mountain roads and highway use on the phone with my brother with the E92 which is way down on power and the E92 is more effective there for sure.
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that is interesting, i'd argue the opposite. e9x lives in the upper rpm's at the track and doesn't feel like a fast car without the low end torque. the f80 has a broader torque range.
obviously, you're observation holds more weight because you actually own both.

on a side note, when i did one of those M track days at thermal club, the m2 was my favorite car there.
The F8X has lots of torque... once it's boosting. Until it does you have nothing.

In the racetrack you're over 5k more of the time where lag is minimized.

It's in the real world where the F8X annoys me, because I'm in 6th or 7th and go WOT to pass some moron in the 3rd lane and nothing happens in the F8X. I have to shift to 5th.
In the E9X I don't downshift to pass. By the time the F8X is hauling ass the E9X has finished the pass.

At the race track you can take advantage of the massive power difference. Somewhere I have two overlaid graphs of the E90 doing 2:06 at WGI with 275/35 square R1 tires on 10.5" wheels, MCS 3 way suspension and PFC BBK vs the F80 CS doing the same time with camber plates, 255/275 RE71 tires on stock wheels, stock suspension and front-only PFC BBK. The CS is so, so much faster in straights it is difficult to understand.
On the street I find the CS useless and annoying. People think the F8X has a broader usable range, I argue the opposite.
And the rear dust boots of the CS were carbonized after a single weekend. So much for the BS better brakes story every tom dick and harry mentions about the F8X generation.

Two weekends ago my brother and I took the E92 and the CS to the mountains. This past weekend it was us and a bunch of 991 GT3s... we both went in a single car, the E92. With stock suspension, stock brakes.

Speaking of the M2, I've tracked a student's and it works well. Two weekends ago besides the E92 and CS a friend came with a M2c, 6MT. Both my brother and I thought it had less lag than the CS. It's incredible value for sure, I'd love to have one and crush 991 GT3 RSs with a 57k car just for the hell of it. Back on topic, the 6MT does a good job of bringing some engagement back but if I had the CS, the E92 and the M2c and had to choose a car for carving up some canyons I would still pick the E92!

The best of all the worlds is the E90 stroker! Of course!!

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I have an F80 CS along my E90 and E92. I've also driven the m2c.

For the street, E9X 100%. The advantage I see to the F8X generation is limited to the race track, but those advantages do not translate well to street use.
To me its the exact opposite. The torque and fanciness make the F8x a good street car but if Im out railing on something I want the visceral experience of the e9x.
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I have an F80 CS along my E90 and E92. I've also driven the m2c.

For the street, E9X 100%. The advantage I see to the F8X generation is limited to the race track, but those advantages do not translate well to street use.
To me its the exact opposite. The torque and fanciness make the F8x a good street car but if Im out railing on something I want the visceral experience of the e9x.
This is the greatest response I've ever heard. Just imagining it in my head.
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On the street I find the CS useless and annoying. People think the F8X has a broader usable range, I argue the opposite.
Is it possible that your impression is only relevant to the CS? I drove an M4 comp/M2 on the track (during an M track day) and an M2 comp on the road. I never noticed what I'm guessing you're describing as turbo lag. At least not to the degree you're mentioning it. I distinctly remember moderately accelerating in the M4 comp out onto the track and how immediately obvious it was that it had much more torque much lower than my e92. When I drove the M2c on the road, I came to much of the same conclusion.

Now what did remind me of what you're describing was the S58 in the x3M I drove. That thing didn't feel like it moved until over 4k rpms. That reminded me a lot of the S65 and something I didn't really like in a modern turbo car.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but what I am saying is that people experience things in different ways depending on both where and how a vehicle is driven.
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Is it possible that your impression is only relevant to the CS? I drove an M4 comp/M2 on the track (during an M track day) and an M2 comp on the road. I never noticed what I'm guessing you're describing as turbo lag. At least not to the degree you're mentioning it. I distinctly remember moderately accelerating in the M4 comp out onto the track and how immediately obvious it was that it had much more torque much lower than my e92. When I drove the M2c on the road, I came to much of the same conclusion.

Now what did remind me of what you're describing was the S58 in the x3M I drove. That thing didn't feel like it moved until over 4k rpms. That reminded me a lot of the S65 and something I didn't really like in a modern turbo car.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but what I am saying is that people experience things in different ways depending on both where and how a vehicle is driven.
The CS is pretty much the same as any F8X in terms of power output. It's the exact same engine.

There is no measuring stick as reliable as swapping cars in the middle of a mountain run. Or swapping cars during a track day.

I also did the M track day and it was too slow to get any conclusions. I drove the M2/M3/M4 there and didn't buy an F8X until last year.
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