Gintani Twin Turbo E9X M3 Kit Dyno Graphs and Video

[SECOND2NONE]

So get a harrop kit them.. That delivers boost way earlier

[W///]

Originally Posted by Ezio

idk why people want a turbo kit so bad.

just grab a blower and make 600 HP.

Did you just ask that? Come on man

Think before typing

[pbonsalb]

Originally Posted by bradleyland

Every driven a turbo car back to back with a supercharged car? They have a totally different character. Personally, I prefer the linear nature of a supercharger, but I understand why someone would want a turbo. A well designed turbo kit makes torque over a very, very broad range.

I have run both on my E36M3, each for about 4 years. I like the turbo much more, but the centrifugal was fun while I had it and did not know any better.

The Harrop TS seems like a good alternative, although if you look at OEM applications, twin turbos seem to be the better fit for small displacement V8s. They don't sap any crank power. On the bigger V8s, you see more TS, but they can give up some crank power to drive the blower. You don't see any OEM using the centrifugal, which may be the cheapest and easiest to install and tune, but offers the worst area under the curve power and torque gains while still sapping crank power to drive and producing full boost only at redline.

[Jet335i]

Originally Posted by SECOND2NONE

So get a harrop kit them.. That delivers boost way earlier

stage 1 isn't that impressive from a power perspective (and even less from a cost view vs. all the used SC kits) - but tough to say where it compares against other options for sure until final numbers and a dyno chart come out.

[Ezio]

Originally Posted by bradleyland

Every driven a turbo car back to back with a supercharged car? They have a totally different character. Personally, I prefer the linear nature of a supercharger, but I understand why someone would want a turbo. A well designed turbo kit makes torque over a very, very broad range.

i have. I think the turbo also fun to drive. i would for sure have both turbo and S/c cars.

but i feel like the S65 is really the best forum is N/A. So a S/C is better fit if you wanted to go FI. thats my opinion

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by Ezio

i have. I think the turbo also fun to drive. i would for sure have both turbo and S/c cars.

but i feel like the S65 is really the best forum is N/A. So a S/C is better fit if you wanted to go FI. thats my opinion

I'm with you on that, a centri blower gets more then the job done on these cars(for a very fair price IMO), then there's the Harrop kit for those who wants more bottom end(at an already much steeper price), but I fail to see who would buy this turbo kit. It's going to cost much more then the Harrop, will be more complicated to install, probably less reliable and will almost certainly not be able to deliver more performance without building the engine, which would bring the cost of such a project to $35-40k. Is there really a market for this thing, hummm... I'm not so sure...we'll see I guess... if this kit finally see the light one day.

[automotiveaperture]

Ya, this kit won't be cheap and will likely require an engine build and dct clutch pack upgrade to be reliable, but craziness like this just makes me happy because it exists.

I've driven an ess 600 m3 and rode in an hpf 2.5 m3, both were absolutely nuts, but since that hpf car... I was hoping a kit would come out for the e92, the thrust was just mind bending

[bradleyland]

Originally Posted by SECOND2NONE

So get a harrop kit them.. That delivers boost way earlier

The Harrop kit uses a positive displacement supercharger. Going the PD route is very popular amongst people who want performance that most closely resembles a larger displacement engine, but there are trade-offs. PD superchargers are driven from the engine, so they rob HP, which comes out of your NET output. If you want big power, and you want it over a broad range, nothing beats a turbocharger. The problem (for me) is, you get the character of a turbocharged engine: worse throttle response and turbo lag. The degree to which these factors affect you will depend on the goals and engineering of your kit, as well as your personal sensitivity.

I'm not trying to be argumentative It's just that Ezio asked a rhetorical question, and I love answering rhetorical questions almost as much as I love playing devil's advocate.

[bradleyland]

Originally Posted by Alex07M3

I'm with you on that, a centri blower gets more then the job done on these cars(for a very fair price IMO), then there's the Harrop kit for those who wants more bottom end(at an already much steeper price), but I fail to see who would buy this turbo kit. It's going to cost much more then the Harrop, will be more complicated to install, probably less reliable and will almost certainly not be able to deliver more performance without building the engine, which would bring the cost of such a project to $35-40k. Is there really a market for this thing, hummm... I'm not so sure...we'll see I guess... if this kit finally see the light one day.

That's really the crux of the problem right there. The S65 wasn't built to be a boosted motor, so while you can boost it, you're not going to be able to extract the full potential without significant changes to the motor.

My guess is that this Gitani kit is built for people who are going to go the distance (eventually) and swap out low compression pistons, etc.

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by bradleyland

That's really the crux of the problem right there. The S65 wasn't built to be a boosted motor, so while you can boost it, you're not going to be able to extract the full potential without significant changes to the motor.

My guess is that this Gitani kit is built for people who are going to go the distance (eventually) and swap out low compression pistons, etc.

Hoppefully one day we'll be able to see one running!

[Ezio]

Originally Posted by Alex07M3

I'm with you on that, a centri blower gets more then the job done on these cars(for a very fair price IMO), then there's the Harrop kit for those who wants more bottom end(at an already much steeper price), but I fail to see who would buy this turbo kit. It's going to cost much more then the Harrop, will be more complicated to install, probably less reliable and will almost certainly not be able to deliver more performance without building the engine, which would bring the cost of such a project to $35-40k. Is there really a market for this thing, hummm... I'm not so sure...we'll see I guess... if this kit finally see the light one day.

and to top it all off. someone posted a pic of a potential turbo kit for the S85. who the hell is going to buy that!

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by Ezio

and to top it all off. someone posted a pic of a potential turbo kit for the S85. who the hell is going to buy that!

the elite my friend, the elite!! lol

[Ezio]

Originally Posted by Alex07M3

the elite my friend, the elite!! lol

[dvpouldar26]

Originally Posted by Ezio

and to top it all off. someone posted a pic of a potential turbo kit for the S85. who the hell is going to buy that!

They're building the twin turbo s85 kit for a widebody m6 in Russia. They also just released photos of the manifolds for a twin turbo kit for the Mercedes e63's... I think gintani's problem therein lies in how they keep taking on new projects before finishing one of them.

[BOOstJunkee]

Any Updates Gintani??

[CaptainInsano]

lol. no.

[WickedE93]

Originally Posted by CaptainInsano

lol. no.

Captain Insano shows no mercy!

[whats77inaname]

Originally Posted by Charles@Gintani.com

We are working very hard to finish production parts and release the kit by the end of summer.

As you guys have a flash tune out for the F8X, any idea on when the S65 turbo setup will be complete?

[Jet335i]

It's probably either out now to local customers w/ a large price tag or dead in the water in favor of the F8X, M5/M6-platforms - either way, not something that's likely to be adopted by the majority of members here for the E9X.

[SilentAttack]

Lock this thread already

[Properstyle]

so did a price ever come out of this for the kit? and did it every reach production stage?

[Patrón]

Originally Posted by Properstyle

so did a price ever come out of this for the kit? and did it every reach production stage?

doubt it, have only heard or read about the one car....