2016 Track(able) Tire Options

1MOREMOD · 04-23-2016, 10:20 PM

True I go to a race alignment shop 30 miles away because can't have screw ups. Which has happened other places.

Kong Sheng Han · 04-23-2016, 10:41 PM

Eh, I passed already, and the guy is pissed so I won't be going back to those tires. Trying to contact others about their tires. Or if anyone here wants to sell me a used set of 265/35 or 275/35 tires, let me know. No scrubs, just street or R-comps.

///Mobbin · 05-03-2016, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by lutfy

New for 2016 it appears R888R (R Comps or Semi Slicks) be arriving to the US (rumor has it, they were launched in the UK last year):

http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/motors...oyo-r888r-tyre
(Demon Tweeks deliver to the US too BTW).

Has anyone checked to see what shipping stateside would be on these?

admranger · 05-03-2016, 03:45 PM

Grassroots motorsports just published a tire test online (but I don't have the linky handy). Rival S was the favorite with the RE71R a very, very close second.

dparm · 05-08-2016, 02:42 PM

Finally got my AD08Rs installed yesterday...

Question: are people buying these really believing they can use them to their full potential on the street? There's no way someone should be driving fast enough on public roads where they would need the extra grip these have over something like a PSS (unless it's an SC M3 or something).

If anything, these are a step backwards for daily driving use: the ride quality has decreased. I don't really detect any extra tread noise or whatever but over uneven pavement and especially expansion seems, they are much firmer than the PSS. I wouldn't call it unacceptable but even with EDC in "Comfort" it's definitely more jarring.

lutfy · 05-08-2016, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by dparm

Finally got my AD08Rs installed yesterday...

Question: are people buying these really believing they can use them to their full potential on the street? There's no way someone should be driving fast enough on public roads where they would need the extra grip these have over something like a PSS (unless it's an SC M3 or something).

If anything, these are a step backwards for daily driving use: the ride quality has decreased. I don't really detect any extra tread noise or whatever but over uneven pavement and especially expansion seems, they are much firmer than the PSS. I wouldn't call it unacceptable but even with EDC in "Comfort" it's definitely more jarring.

Same observation as yours. I got these as DD street/track slapped on with Pagid Yellows (DD brake pads). Changing wheels/pads back forth got old once I clocked 40 on this planet.

Wouldn't run AD08 for street only. Pss or s04 for that.

Lutfy

dparm · 05-08-2016, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by lutfy

Same observation as yours. I got these as DD street/track slapped on with Pagid Yellows (DD brake pads). Changing wheels/pads back forth got old once I clocked 40 on this planet.

Wouldn't run AD08 for street only. Pss or s04 for that.

Lutfy

Ouch, Yellows for the street? Did it even have stopping power when cool?

///Mobbin · 05-09-2016, 07:50 AM

140 Treadwear NT-05's after 12 heat cycles. They're still extremely consistent throughout a session and performance is the same as the first day.

lutfy · 05-10-2016, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by dparm

Ouch, Yellows for the street? Did it even have stopping power when cool?

You'd be surprised

I let the Pagid Orange on on the 911 too. We have the nation's worst pedestrians. So the combination of a catless Supersprint race exhaust and Pagid yellow does wonder for mobility.

I got divorced five years ago, so luckily I dont have a nagging passenger either.

Lutfy

tadmcmichael · 05-14-2016, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by ///Mobbin

Found my alignment sheet. Looks like I am maxed out on rear camber so perhaps that is helping with fitment. Track wheels go back on tonight and I'll be at the track Saturday and Sunday, really hoping there is no rubbing in the back.

Edit: Just for future reference, this is a "pins-pulled" track/street alignment on a comp pack e92 m3 with the stock EDC suspension. I think bc a comp pack car sits a little lower than a standard car the max negative camber up front is a little less than you can reach on the standard car. Rear camber is also maxed out if I recall correctly. Future plans for camber-plates/coilovers and more negative camber up front.

So is it even worth pulling the pins on a ZCP car? What are the stock ZCP settings? What's max without pulling pins? All the info I'm turning up in search is for the standard suspension.

///Mobbin · 05-14-2016, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by tadmcmichael

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Originally Posted by ///Mobbin

Found my alignment sheet. Looks like I am maxed out on rear camber so perhaps that is helping with fitment. Track wheels go back on tonight and I'll be at the track Saturday and Sunday, really hoping there is no rubbing in the back.

Edit: Just for future reference, this is a "pins-pulled" track/street alignment on a comp pack e92 m3 with the stock EDC suspension. I think bc a comp pack car sits a little lower than a standard car the max negative camber up front is a little less than you can reach on the standard car. Rear camber is also maxed out if I recall correctly. Future plans for camber-plates/coilovers and more negative camber up front.

So is it even worth pulling the pins on a ZCP car? What are the stock ZCP settings? What's max without pulling pins? All the info I'm turning up in search is for the standard suspension.

If you are having your alignment done anyway, I would go ahead and pull the pins as it's minimal additional work. At -1.5 front camber I am not wearing my tires past the arrows at least, so that's nice. Went ahead and bought Vorshlag camber plates anyway though, should arrive soon.

Kong Sheng Han · 05-14-2016, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by ///Mobbin

140 Treadwear NT-05's after 12 heat cycles. They're still extremely consistent throughout a session and performance is the same as the first day.

Please let us know how consistent they are throughout their life. I may want to give them a try after I wear out my NT-01s.

admranger · 05-14-2016, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ///Mobbin

140 Treadwear NT-05's after 12 heat cycles. They're still extremely consistent throughout a session and performance is the same as the first day.

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Originally Posted by Kong Sheng Han

Please let us know how consistent they are throughout their life. I may want to give them a try after I wear out my NT-01s.

12 heat cycles = 3 days of track time. Like Kong, I'll be interested to hear your thoughts as they age. Hopefully they don't turn into rocks before you cord them.

That's what I like about RA-1s and NT01s, they just never seem to heat cycle out, though if you overheat them (turn the tread blue-ish, btdt), you will have issues. Hope the 140 tread wear NT05's have the same characteristics.

aus · 05-14-2016, 07:42 PM

My old 200tw NT05's where a couple years old because I couldn't get to the track regularly and they still gripped well through out the weekend. I had them in plastic bags in my garage. I was really surprised and impressed with them. I think they're the best bang for the buck track tire. I've only got 2 days on the 140tw set. Next event won't be until Oktoberfest.

Kong Sheng Han · 05-15-2016, 10:53 PM

Discount Tire ruined 3 of my street tires when dismounting them (sold wheels and was keeping tires with 40% life), so they're giving me $400 credit. So now I'm looking into 200TW NT-05s. I wish their eBay store still had $100 of $400 purchase.. If I do purchase I would probably be mounting towards the end of the year because I already have NT-01s that I will mount tomorrow.

admranger · 05-17-2016, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Kong Sheng Han

Discount Tire ruined 3 of my street tires when dismounting them (sold wheels and was keeping tires with 40% life), so they're giving me $400 credit. So now I'm looking into 200TW NT-05s. I wish their eBay store still had $100 of $400 purchase.. If I do purchase I would probably be mounting towards the end of the year because I already have NT-01s that I will mount tomorrow.

Get the 140 tread wear NT05's.

Kong Sheng Han · 05-18-2016, 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by admranger

Get the 140 tread wear NT05's.

DT only carries 200 TW? Or I'm overlooking the 140 ones. If they're the same price and 140 is available, I'll probably get them. I told the manager I'm gonna wait for the $100 off $400 before I do anything though so I only have to pay ~$200 vs ~$400 at regular price.

silvergray545 · 05-18-2016, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by admranger

That's what I like about RA-1s and NT01s, they just never seem to heat cycle out, though if you overheat them (turn the tread blue-ish, btdt), you will have issues. Hope the 140 tread wear NT05's have the same characteristics.

I didn't know that's what caused that. The shoulders of my NT-01s turned slightly blue-ish before I was running enough negative camber. You can only see it in the perfect lighting. I moved those to the rear and put a new pair up front.

///Mobbin · 09-24-2016, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ///Mobbin

140 Treadwear NT-05's after 12 heat cycles. They're still extremely consistent throughout a session and performance is the same as the first day.

Been at the track today and my latest thinking on the NT-05's, at least in the sizes I am running them in, is that their sidewalls are too soft. I think one huge advantage of the Cup 2's I ran previously was their rigidity. Felt like marshmallows out there today, I may try a little more pressure but not sure that will do it.

Going RE-71R or NT-01 next. Any thoughts on their sidewalls? I am also likely going square going forward, just easier to maximize tire life that way. Anyone want to buy a pair of satin black 10.5x18" et27 EC-7's? Plan to just buy another pair of 10x18" et25's.

Kong Sheng Han · 09-24-2016, 09:05 PM

Hopefully I will purchase track wheels this fall and be able to compare NT01s and 120TW NS-2Rs at the same event.

Candide13 · 09-25-2016, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by ///Mobbin

Been at the track today and my latest thinking on the NT-05's, at least in the sizes I am running them in, is that their sidewalls are too soft. I think one huge advantage of the Cup 2's I ran previously was their rigidity. Felt like marshmallows out there today, I may try a little more pressure but not sure that will do it.

Going RE-71R or NT-01 next. Any thoughts on their sidewalls? I am also likely going square going forward, just easier to maximize tire life that way. Anyone want to buy a pair of satin black 10.5x18" et27 EC-7's? Plan to just buy another pair of 10x18" et25's.

The NT05 sidewalls are pretty solid but they do need sufficient pressure, probably a little more than some other track tires. My experience is that with 37-38 psi hot you'll get a nice even wear pattern and nothing funky happens at the edges.

SYT_Shadow · 09-25-2016, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ///Mobbin

Been at the track today and my latest thinking on the NT-05's, at least in the sizes I am running them in, is that their sidewalls are too soft. I think one huge advantage of the Cup 2's I ran previously was their rigidity. Felt like marshmallows out there today, I may try a little more pressure but not sure that will do it.

Going RE-71R or NT-01 next. Any thoughts on their sidewalls? I am also likely going square going forward, just easier to maximize tire life that way. Anyone want to buy a pair of satin black 10.5x18" et27 EC-7's? Plan to just buy another pair of 10x18" et25's.

Why are you selling the square 10.5 et27? They fit the car perfectly!

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dparm Stop the hate, get a V8 3851 Rep 8,625 Posts Drives: C7 Corvette GS, AMG C63 S Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Frisco, TX iTrader: (1)	Finally got my AD08Rs installed yesterday... Question: are people buying these really believing they can use them to their full potential on the street? There's no way someone should be driving fast enough on public roads where they would need the extra grip these have over something like a PSS (unless it's an SC M3 or something). If anything, these are a step backwards for daily driving use: the ride quality has decreased. I don't really detect any extra tread noise or whatever but over uneven pavement and especially expansion seems, they are much firmer than the PSS. I wouldn't call it unacceptable but even with EDC in "Comfort" it's definitely more jarring. __________________ Now: 2017 Corvette Grand Sport, 2021 AMG C63 S sedan Past: 2011.5 M3 sedan ZCP
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