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      11-09-2019, 03:05 PM   #23
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I could definitely feel my suspension is getting old and worn out after I drive the M2. I sold the e92 m3 after I realize I get tired fast with the oldie. E92 m3 is a great car and its the longest time vehicle I drove, but its getting old so it needs some love and passion.

If you buying e9x m3, make sure to change all worn out suspension bushing, change TA and rod bearing. Then its golden.

If I were you, I would go f series M.
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      11-10-2019, 02:33 AM   #24
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At this point I would not buy another E9X for track use as it's too expensive to make it the same speed as an F80, however, for the street I still prefer an E9X by a wide margin.
SYT has a unique take: Many on these forums say that the S55 is better for street use because "torque".

"The S65 has no torque low in the RPMs!"

and I say, "Why would you ever be low in the RPMs?" ��

But stock for stock, yeah the S55 is probably better for the application. I don't think the S65 is all that great without the primaries removed. Spend the $2000 to get into FBO territory and that difference is largely removed. Similar 0-60, similar gearbox, similar quarter mile, etc.

For the tech argument, I think that CIC iDrive has aged pretty well. Don't get the fuss over 'single-humps'. I keep a button assigned to turn my screen off, but having maps as a reference for blind corners and navigation is nice. I think the E92 is a more difficult car to parallel park, but mine came with a backup cam retrofitted. You're losing out on the video game style 360 cams, and maybe the power gauges?

I understand how this could be too involved for most people, but I think the platform is worth it. A 'tighter' feeling car doesn't always translate to faster times. Most of us aren't pros anyways.

OP! get in on the discussion!
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      11-10-2019, 08:21 AM   #25
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OP! get in on the discussion!
Signing up on the forum for a quick question to never come back. Seen it before...
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SYT has a unique take: Many on these forums say that the S55 is better for street use because "torque".

"The S65 has no torque low in the RPMs!"

and I say, "Why would you ever be low in the RPMs?" ��
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I think OP is not coming back, but we're all having a fun conversation anyway.

An interesting thing of the 'no torque' discussion is that, while cruising on the highway and passing people while changing lanes, the E9X actually feels more powerful than the F8X.

The F8X has plenty of lag at low rpms and even though I have a CS I find myself downshifitng one or two gears to get better response. The E9X requires zero shifts, by the time the CS is pulling hard the E9X has finished the maneuver.

So although some people think the S55 is some kind of torque monster it is not. It is a linear engine that requires revs to be happy. Less revs than the S65, but if you thought that going WOT on the highway at 2500rpm was going to shock and awe, think again.

Even with a turbo engine the core BMW M ethos is still the same, I strongly appreciate how tracking a M4 GTS is not much harder than a E9X.

Good job BMW!
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Thanks for the great read guys! I've spent so much time in the for sale section, I never bothered to check my notifications so my apologies lol.

Since posting this, I've decided on an F80. Merely because I just can't get over how much nicer it looks than the E90. Most of the E90's I was looking at were 30-35k and it was a dice roll whether or not the RB were done or not.

I did drive my buddies '13 E92 a few weekends ago and man, I was impressed! DCT is amazing. My Type R is being picked up in a few weeks by its new owner so the hunt gets real now!
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      11-10-2019, 10:40 PM   #28
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Were I buying today instead of 9 years ago, I would buy an F80 over an E90. Newer, better looking, faster, better handling, more modern, more convenient. But I like my E90 and itís paid for. Plus there is nothing else I could buy for the $20k my car might be worth. I think I would have to spend $50-100k to get a different car I would like more. I have two in mind - a comfy cruiser fast car like used last model E63 AMG Wagon or 911 Turbo model 991. Both can have big power and put it down due to AWD.
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Were I buying today instead of 9 years ago, I would buy an F80 over an E90. Newer, better looking, faster, better handling, more modern, more convenient. But I like my E90 and it's paid for. Plus there is nothing else I could buy for the $20k my car might be worth. I think I would have to spend $50-100k to get a different car I would like more. I have two in mind - a comfy cruiser fast car like used last model E63 AMG Wagon or 911 Turbo model 991. Both can have big power and put it down due to AWD.
I started my journey going after E90's. But the more I looked the more I realized I should just go big or go home. Although I still find myself scrolling the E9x for sale section at times.
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      11-11-2019, 11:16 AM   #30
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The long-term reliability of the F series M cars is the biggest concern I would have with this car, then the second largest known issue is the sound .. which is probably more important to me than the extra torque. The S65 is pretty bulletproof if one takes care of the big issues. NA is a big part of this plus the brilliant design (outside of the RBs, TAs). I can see my E90 going to 200K+ miles. Too early to tell the same about the F80, but maybe it's OK just too many horror stories I've heard about on the older F10 M5.
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Thanks for the great read guys! I've spent so much time in the for sale section, I never bothered to check my notifications so my apologies lol.

Since posting this, I've decided on an F80. Merely because I just can't get over how much nicer it looks than the E90. Most of the E90's I was looking at were 30-35k and it was a dice roll whether or not the RB were done or not.

I did drive my buddies '13 E92 a few weekends ago and man, I was impressed! DCT is amazing. My Type R is being picked up in a few weeks by its new owner so the hunt gets real now!
enjoy it in good health!!

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Thanks for the great read guys! I've spent so much time in the for sale section, I never bothered to check my notifications so my apologies lol.

Since posting this, I've decided on an F80. Merely because I just can't get over how much nicer it looks than the E90. Most of the E90's I was looking at were 30-35k and it was a dice roll whether or not the RB were done or not.

I did drive my buddies '13 E92 a few weekends ago and man, I was impressed! DCT is amazing. My Type R is being picked up in a few weeks by its new owner so the hunt gets real now!
enjoy it in good health!!

you can't go wrong with an M car
Thank you. I'm excited for what's to come learning about a new brand. I believe I turned this road long ago, it just took me a while to realize it.

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I will never get rid of the desire for a type R. I still donít think you can find a purer car, full stop, that isnít a lotus Elise or a Porsche GTx model.

Even at that price, itís a bargain to me. I very nearly got rid of my euro spec e36 for one.
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Even at that price, it's a bargain to me. I very nearly got rid of my euro spec e36 for one.
I really love it. I searched my whole childhood for them. Now that I own one at the ripe young age of 35, I find the German stuff more interesting. You only life once.
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How many miles are you looking at on the e90? I'm going to be honest, I love the e9x M3 platform, I've had my m3 for 3 years but with the pricing of e9x's under 60k miles currently I don't agree with it. The reason being there's a ton of f80's and f82's going for 35-45k with sub 45k miles. Lower mileage e9x's are selling for 30-35k, spend another 5k and you're in a f8x. I just can't justify the price of an e9x in the current market when you can get a newer and more refined M series for 5-10k more (10k being max).
Do you feel it's important to get to an E9x under 60k miles? I drove a great 50k E90 that was $23k good 100k example makes that are $20k. These were just test drives an I'm sure I missed some cosmetic issues. They weren't concours cars but pretty good. I've got a thread on the condition of E46's. They're bad. The E90 interiors seem well put together.

I'm not saying you are wrong. If you want your used car to be in near new condition that's your choice and more power to you. My budget means I've got to make some sacrifice somewhere.
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How many miles are you looking at on the e90? I'm going to be honest, I love the e9x M3 platform, I've had my m3 for 3 years but with the pricing of e9x's under 60k miles currently I don't agree with it. The reason being there's a ton of f80's and f82's going for 35-45k with sub 45k miles. Lower mileage e9x's are selling for 30-35k, spend another 5k and you're in a f8x. I just can't justify the price of an e9x in the current market when you can get a newer and more refined M series for 5-10k more (10k being max).
Do you feel it's important to get to an E9x under 60k miles? I drove a great 50k E90 that was $23k good 100k example makes that are $20k. These were just test drives an I'm sure I missed some cosmetic issues. They weren't concours cars but pretty good. I've got a thread on the condition of E46's. They're bad. The E90 interiors seem well put together.

I'm not saying you are wrong. If you want your used car to be in near new condition that's your choice and more power to you. My budget means I've got to make some sacrifice somewhere.
Personally if I'm buying a car I'd want it as low mileage as possible for my budget. As mentioned in numerous threads, the M3 is a fairly reliable car once certain parts are changed but that doesn't change the fact that with age comes wear. Whether it's coolant lines, coolant leaks, oil leaks, bushings, struts, suspension components etc. the list goes on. I'm at 130,000 miles on my m3 and I can tell you that I'm noticing issues with age.
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Thank you. I'm excited for what's to come learning about a new brand. I believe I turned this road long ago, it just took me a while to realize it.

Here's a pic of what's been obsessed over the past 20+ years.
Wow, beautiful Type R !
Should keep it, for such a great example !!
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Do you feel it's important to get to an E9x under 60k miles? I drove a great 50k E90 that was $23k good 100k example makes that are $20k. These were just test drives an I'm sure I missed some cosmetic issues. They weren't concours cars but pretty good. I've got a thread on the condition of E46's. They're bad. The E90 interiors seem well put together.

I'm not saying you are wrong. If you want your used car to be in near new condition that's your choice and more power to you. My budget means I've got to make some sacrifice somewhere.
Half the mileage with only $3k price difference? The lower mileage would be a no brainer for me.
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I've said this a few times whenever the topic of speed comes up.

To me, the only thing the F8X has on the E9X is sheer speed.

But in 2019, speed is a commodity. The Tesla is blazing fast but it's a soulless appliance.

Being a passionate car enthusiast since I was a toddler, I'm not really concerned with what's better on paper when it comes to buying a car I'm more concerned with the experience and the feeling the car gives me. It's about the sound, feel, legacy (end of an era), community, etc. I genuinely feel the V8 M3 is something special and won't ever be replicated by BMW ever again and it's currently on the bottom of its depreciation curve (this is subjective but they can currently be had for the sum of their parts). This makes it easy to justify the purchase, at least in my eyes. I can enjoy it know it's not losing a ton of value.

If you're a music person this analogy might make sense- to me, the f8X is like listening to a Joe Satriani album on CD. The music is technical and precise, the format is convenient. But it doesn't really elicit much emotion. It's just good, but not memorable.

The e9x is like listening to Pink Floyd "Pulse" on vinyl. It's the last tour Roger Waters and David Gilmour did together, Dark Side of the Moon was played in its entirety, and the guitar solos will give you goosebumps. Despite it being live and recorded in the 90s, there's something warm and analogue about listening to one of the best live albums of all time on vinyl.

So it really depends... are you looking for what's good on paper? Or are you looking for a special and more unique ownership and driving experience?
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I've said this a few times whenever the topic of speed comes up.

To me, the only thing the F8X has on the E9X is sheer speed.

But in 2019, speed is a commodity. The Tesla is blazing fast but it's a soulless appliance.

Being a passionate car enthusiast since I was a toddler, I'm not really concerned with what's better on paper when it comes to buying a car I'm more concerned with the experience and the feeling the car gives me. It's about the sound, feel, legacy (end of an era), community, etc. I genuinely feel the V8 M3 is something special and won't ever be replicated by BMW ever again and it's currently on the bottom of its depreciation curve (this is subjective but they can currently be had for the sum of their parts). This makes it easy to justify the purchase, at least in my eyes. I can enjoy it know it's not losing a ton of value.

If you're a music person this analogy might make sense- to me, the f8X is like listening to a Joe Satriani album on CD. The music is technical and precise, the format is convenient. But it doesn't really elicit much emotion. It's just good, but not memorable.

The e9x is like listening to Pink Floyd "Pulse" on vinyl. It's the last tour Roger Waters and David Gilmour did together, Dark Side of the Moon was played in its entirety, and the guitar solos will give you goosebumps. Despite it being live and recorded in the 90s, there's something warm and analogue about listening to one of the best live albums of all time on vinyl.

So it really depends... are you looking for what's good on paper? Or are you looking for a special and more unique ownership and driving experience?
The F8x is significantly better than the e9x in a lot more ways than just speed. However for $30k there isn't much that can compete with the e9x, and you are spot on about depreciation. The e9x is the price performance champ no question. However as soon as you hit $50k+ there are a number of more compelling options. I just picked up an M2C which has plenty of character and a certain 'specialness' all in a stiffer more capable chassis out of the box. Size wise this feels more like the natural successor to the E46/e9x generation than the F80, which feels more like an M5.

I think a lot of it comes down to affinity for V8's, I'm European so I don't really see what the fuss is about. I'd take a wailing flat 6 or screaming V10 over a cross plane V8 any day of the week, I digress..
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Here's a pic of what's been obsessed over the past 20+ years.
Very nice, hold onto it! One day I will have a secret underground lair containing a collection of Japans finest 90's cars. A face lifted DC2 Integra Type-R in Championship white will be in there for sure.
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The F8x is significantly better than the e9x in a lot more ways than just speed. However for $30k there isn't much that can compete with the e9x, and you are spot on about depreciation. The e9x is the price performance champ no question. However as soon as you hit $50k+ there are a number of more compelling options. I just picked up an M2C which has plenty of character and a certain 'specialness' all in a stiffer more capable chassis out of the box. Size wise this feels more like the natural successor to the E46/e9x generation than the F80, which feels more like an M5.

I think a lot of it comes down to affinity for V8's, I'm European so I don't really see what the fuss is about. I'd take a wailing flat 6 or screaming V10 over a cross plane V8 any day of the week, I digress..
The V8 thing is inherently more American. We grew up with our dads and grandfathers talking about the cars they had when they were young, they all had big V8s.

The V6 does ABSOLUTELY nothing for me. Growing up in the US and being primarily American car nuts in school, we made fun of the kids with the V6 mustang or Camaro. V6s were the "girl versions" of the car.

I purchased an 82 325e and an 84 318i in highschool which ultimately made me fall in love with BMW.

So that's where the initial appeal to the V8 M3 came from. I also love the e39 M5.

I do also love the v10s.

Honestly, I cringe when I hear the F8x M3. I genuinely feel it's one of the worst sounding cars on the road. Which I hate because it's a beautiful car. I'm obsessive about sound (I'm 36 and I still run to the window when I hear a cool car pass by, and I'm 17 stories off the ground).
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