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12-10-2008, 06:00 PM | #48 | |
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Possessing a history major does not make you correct nor does it mean you have any etiquette either. Xenophobia has multiple similar definitions. One perfectly accurate one is exhibiting a feeling of contempt for foreign peoples. What other conclusion could I make when you stoop so low to talk about wars long in the past and wars that "teach people a lesson" in a thread with a sub topic on driving differences among various countries? Get real. Should I add hawk to xenophobe as well? |
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12-11-2008, 05:23 AM | #49 | |
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I'm sorry, Wars long in the past? 1940's are long in the past? This is the problem with people, they have a short term memory. You do realize people from that War are still alive today don't you? I think the people who fought, died, and were affected by it until today would be offended as to you characterizing their struggle as long in the past. I find that far more offensive than sarcastically poking fun at Germany's very real historical background which was propelled by their arrogance. My god man, that basically set the stage for the World today and the effects are still being felt. The "real" point was German arrogance which I highlighted with the most obvious example everyone knows. Some people got it, some like you, get easily offended thanks to our American schooling and culture doing a fine job of brain washing the masses that everyone is equal, nice, and polite. Good luck using that philosophy in Auschwitz in the early 1940's. Another very real example. Regardless, the Germans are confined to a smaller area of driving, with less miles driven by a less diverse group of drivers. I agree their driver education is better, I don't think driving in Germany would necessarily make someone a good driver in the US or vice versa. |
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12-11-2008, 06:21 AM | #50 |
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My point is that politics and war should stay out off the agenda and the simple reason that everyone has an opinion (usually polarized) and every country has there fair share of atrocities, including America. Your comments were the equivalent to say something like 'no wants the Americans to be fighting on their side because there is less of a chance of being kill be the enemy than your allies.' See my point, this would be offensive to all Americans and their Armed Forces. P.S. You can call me being too sensitive but I just prefer to talk about the products and not the people driving them and especially not anything as polarized as wars. |
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Diversion and deflection. The easy thing might just be to apologize for comments that many (from different countries as well) saw as inappropriate and/or offensive. But no you have to try to turn the tables and turn the attention away from yourself to the person who called you out. Some maturity is required here. Quote:
1. There is no evidence that Germans in general drive less distances from their homes, schools or businesses than Americans simply because America is larger. Sure a coast to coast trip in much or Europe is not nearly as vast as a coast to coast trip in the US. But again the relevance to deaths PER VEHICLE KM? None. 2. Less miles driven - again when you count PER VEHICLE KM it is accounted for. Your history may be OK but the math is clearly escaping you. 3. I don't think driving in Germany necessarily makes one a better driver either. But German driver training (and other regulatory and cultural forces) certainly does make them safer and less likely to be involved in serious/fatal accidents. If you call safer equivalent to better, which is a very gross way I think is fair, then sorry... they are "better". |
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12-13-2008, 03:59 AM | #52 |
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ha ha,very good thread...i know what are you talking about....few days ago i got new bmw x6 and its like magnet to vw and gm drivers..its kinda funny...funny boys they are.
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No, it does not have to do with your education. It has everything to do with supposed German superiority. You might have seen that many people saw the comments as accurate satire. I think you should apologize for characterizing WWII as a past struggle that has no relevance today. I think that is ignorant and downright insulting. Perhaps you need some more education? 1. You should be able to figure out, simply with common sense, that Americans traverse a far more diverse set of roads in more diverse conditions with a far more diverse set of drivers. I don't think Germans have quite the same problem with illegal aliens driving as the US. I think you will see more accidents simply due to the volume of vehicles on the road at the same time vs. Germany. Tell me, what would German driver education do to make a driver safer during rush hour in LA? 2. Show me the statistics you are referring to so I may see them on my own, not that I don't value your word. 3. I think German driver training makes the average driver better but there are also far more intensive driving courses available in the US if one desires. We have some great performance and safety driving instruction, that although expensive, is tops in the world with world class drivers and instructors. The difference is we don't have the state provide it but that also allows to not be diluted for every individual. |
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