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In a world where GT3 guys are upgrading their rotors I am quite confident that the SS needs new ones as well. But are any of those guys with the Camaros fast? I've run across a few Z28s, ZL1s and SS's and none are fast, so that automatically disqualified anything they tell me about the car. [to clarify, I'm sure the cars are fast, they are just not being driven fast] As far as wheels are concerned, you do not 'need' wider wheels in the M3 either. The ZCP setup I have as a secondary track set with RE71Rs were enough to do under 1:40 at MidOhio which is not bad for a 6MT M3. You're right about the LT1 vs LT4 and I do recall reading about the filter contamination being the cause of the blown engines. Hopefully it's fixed now. I would still bet on an S65 surviving track use better than an LT1 without any mods although admittedly this is an assumption Overall it seems americans are getting very serious about track performance and I love it. The GS Vette was very tempting and who knows, I may get one in the future. I still have serious questions about how a Camaro/Stang/Vette will take to tracking hundreds of days |
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It is not. The SS 1LE gets the mediocre Goodyear Eagle F1 Supercar tires, probably to help keep price down. The Corvettes get the "better" Pilot Super Sport and Pilot Sport Cup 2s. Remember, Chevy has to be careful to keep the Corvette as the halo car and justify why it costs more despite being only a little bit faster.
Fortunately, you can get the new PS4S and CEC tires for the 1LE, as well as the older PSS.
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Can the GT350 be ordered with Cup 2s? It's definitely marketed towards more mainstream buyers than a SS 1LE or ZL1 but even the Focus RS can be had with Cup 2s...
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The Supercar 3R is only sold in two sizes so it's literally a bespoke tier for the ZL1 1LE. Not saying it's a bad tire, but obviously there is way more R&D put into the more mainstream tires. The GT350R gets PSC2, but they can be easily installed onto the regular GT350 wheels.
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The R has slightly wider wheels and slightly wider tires but it's well within spec to run the PSC2s on a non R.
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Having owned a couple z28s I'd love to get back into one, but the new camaros interior is so awful I just can't. Off-center steering wheel (more than the m3) no visibility, and annoyingly pricey consumables make it a NOPE for me. The m3 is comfy year around, comfy going to the track, comfy on the track, and similar price point to a 5th gen ss 1le.
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The tires aren't cheap, I'll give you that, but stuff like oil, filters, brakes, etc. are on-par with any other car in the same performance category, IMO.
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Yes, the latest couple of generations of "M3 killer" cars like the Boss 302, GT350, Camaro SS have beaten the M3 laps times using a driver like Randy Pobst, in my experience, you don't really see that at the track.
One of the bench mark tracks here in SoCal is Buttonwillow 13CW. One of the popular track organizers, Speed Ventures, posts lap times here: http://www.speedventures.com/results/Default.aspx I have friends that can run that track in < 2 mins in an E9x M3 with basic mods (tune/pullies and NT01s). I went back and looked at the last 2 years and I found exactly 3 of the M3 killers that have run a sub 2 at that track. One was a fully gutted/caged Mustang GT with 500hp, one was a Mustang GT with 500hp on slicks and one was actually a shop car from Trinity Auto Sport (I don't know much about that car but I know that Joe Yang from Trinity runs around a 1:50 in his track prepped E92 M3). Now, I realize that not every driver pays for timing and a transponder but you would think you'd see at least a few of those cars running sub 2 in the last couple of years. So while those cars are certainly capable of running much faster times, my guess is that for us mere mortals, it's harder to extract that kind of performance from those cars, where as the M3 is easier to drive close to the limit. |
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This makes them very fast. Other cars are way faster on paper but you don't see them crushing M3s at the track |
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They do offer powerstop track day pads for $104 front and $65 rear, which is VERY attractive with the cheapo rotors. Just need an 18" wheelset that fits and it would be reasonable. Tire costs are literally DOUBLE the m3 tires I run, but who knows? Cheaper tires finally filtered down to the c6z maybe they will for the new camaros too eventually
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What's odd is the tire sizes they chose for that versus the Corvette. Give it some time and you should see more manufacturers offer their tires in that size; it took a year or two for the C7s to get anything other than the OEM Michelins.
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A GT350 would be gobs more fun, but sadly the 1LE is way cheaper as a lot of guys are getting them sub $40's brand new and you will have to spend $50K now to get a lightly used 2017 GT350. The GT350 also has a long list of reliability issues. If it helps, I would NEVER give up my M3 for a 1LE and I owned a far inferior version of the current. That said, you have only put 1,000 miles on yours though, so maybe something different is what you need? Good luck man, go test drive one and while you're at it test drive a used GT350.
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My aa level 2 e92 manual will destroy the ss on the track. I think even if I was stock I would. Camaro is just a camaro. You can’t compare an American Car with an m3. I had a supercharged c7 and I was very disappointed with it as well.
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