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This I found interesting....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=...ture=endscreen M3 SC against a bunch of GTRs, and 997TTs all modded. Suffice to say, the M3 SC is just as fast... with all the creature comforts and room we have come to love from a 3 series. Resale, or scrap value (in the case of an accident) would be the issue on modding ANY car. I am getting next to nothing for the mods I have done to the 335, in fact it is harder to sell because everyone things you drove the nuts off it, and you typically do - which is why you did it. Anyway, lots to think about when you are putting this kind of cash out. I think back to why I did the 335 upgrades and it was for M3 or better performance, for less than the M3 price. It certainly did that in a straight line. If I am modding a M3 to a GTR or 997TT performance level - what do you lose? 1) Resale - as I mentioned. 2) what about insurance? You have to tell your insurance company of the mods - right? What hit do you have on that? 3) Any other ones? GTR - 0 to 60 is just unmatched though with the 4 wheel drive. Pulling out of corners with WOT, I bet this is unmatched too. Pulling out in front of traffic would be something else in the GTR, blink, your speeding. I would think it would come down to 1) M3 - SC 2) GTR - slight mods (I need to check out the space inside that car). Loving the discussion everyone - thanks for the replies.
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Also consider going for a ride in an SC M3. The power is still all the way at the top of the rev range. So it doesn't exactly solve lower end torque.
You may trap similar speeds to a GTR but that GTR is going to give you much more of a throw you back in your seat feel. Don't always go for fastest. My brothers 1m is a blast to drive. Arguably more fun than the M3 but I know I'm quicker. My car has higher quality interior. It definitely feels less race car and more GT than the 1m but in life there are always trade offs. In reality I didn't think a supercharger would make the M3 more fun. Faster yes, but once you get used to the straight line speed it's the same hamburger. Which is why I personally made the same decision. I'm waiting for the F80 M3. Enjoying this high revving NA motor for another few years. (I've already had 4 years of ownership) Good luck in your decision. I also really wanted a GTR but I stopped pursuing one because I like buying cars new and a new GTR is 98 which I feel is way over the top. The F80 M3 should come in under 80 or at about 80. |
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A supercharged M3 is fast, but it does not feel anywhere as fast as it is. There is still a huge lack of torque, and the power is only after 4.5-5krpm. Also, a big part of it is reliability/longetivity - buying a z06/gtr will give you that power without any worry/potential headache, throwing 8lbs of boost into a 12:1 compression high strung motor that wasnt designed for it WILL have its effects over time (whether its months or years). With a 2012 GTR you can throw an intake, tune, and exhaust and run quicker 1/4 mile times with equal trap speeds than a blown M3 (let alone a Z06 where all you need is a tune/intake). Big difference having to throw an intake/tune/exhaust on a car and throwing a forced induction system on it. Just something to think about!
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As for the throw you back in your seat feel, I got a lot of that by hammering it from 6000rpm, no better feeling then that with the sound and everything, it's just a amazing experience! Yes turbo cars with torque give you a feeling of power at low RPM but the S65 is just an intoxicating engine when you rev it up to the redline and that's what lacking in turbo cars! Both cars give you feels that the other can't, just a matter of preference I think. I know that nothing could replace the sound of my V8 when I'm doing city cruising! Edit: if the supercharger did'nt make your car more fun, maybe a manual transmission would! Last edited by Alex07M3; 08-23-2012 at 09:18 AM.. |
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^Yep, I have a vt2-625 catless and I love the M3 as a great all around car which is why I cannot find another car on the market that fits my needs like it does (it just needed more balls so I had to throw some boost in it)...I dont about the low end torque either, nothing beats hearing the car scream at 8300rpm and revving the piss out of it.
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Unabomber, are you running downpipes as well? I am thinking of the 4 inch exhaust from GTC for my GT-R. Already have the HKS Resonated Midpipe.
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standard AMS downpipes.
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Corvette is a piece of crap, I wouldn't touch it with a 10ft pole. How long do you plan on keeping it? Look how the styling has aged and the depreciation hit on Porsches, bmws, and Nissans. What brand is worth $90k?
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As someone said earlier in the thread, why not a c63 AMG? Tune+headers=550ish hp
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I'm predicting that if the new F80 turbo M3 comes with 450hp or so then it will be able to hit 500-550 with just full bolt on's and a tune. If you pickup the VF620 kit then you should be able to still eat the F80 M3 for breakfast, lunch and dinner.
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^You have the ability to trap ~125 with a catless VT1 in ideal DA and temperature....scott (1sickm) with his vt1 catless trapped that at atco this past year. Realistically, though, in hot shitty weather it will be more around 120.
In regards to LM, he is not running his meth the right way (basic boost-on switch and is getting full flow at 2psi which is way too much down low). I spoke with him the other day and now hes getting a progressive kit and probably going with 25% at 2.5psi and 100% at 7psi....that will relieve the quenching hes experiencing (its obvious he wasn't benefitting from the meth when his dynos showed no increase in power whatsoever, while others that I've seen have picked up 20-30whp by just turning the meth on) and he will see a big difference...I have no doubt he will break 120 when he hooks the progressive controller up and dials in his settings |
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