supercharge /// ess or vf engineering

[Verify]

Originally Posted by Andrew@ActiveAutowerke

Thanks for noticing that.

He's not the only one AA with a rotrex is another great option. Have to insist on air to air as mandatory.

Straight-line performance is cool, but the M was meant to be turning, and is awesome daily driver, more tq is a big seller, consistent performance is paramount

[euro*]

you should consider AA

[sales@ESSTuning]

We just lowered the retail on our VT2-625 and our new VT2-595 kit, if you are currently shopping you should check it out. As Tom said if you have our cable already you can save some additional money. I don’t really spend much time on the forums trying to convince people we make a good kit and they should buy it. I think the fact that we have sold over 900 E9X M3 kits worldwide now, our pricing being very competitive, our hardware being very reliable over the years and us having accommodated requests such as OBD emissions compliance for customers when needed speaks for itself. It also does not hurt that most of the current M3 performance records have been set by our customers and that our 800+ HP cars run the same basic hardware we use in our standard production kits.

The best advice I can give is doing a search and getting first hand reviews from customers that actually own and live with the products and not those who are on the forums to generate hype. Talking direct with actual customers if you can will often give you a good idea of how that product performs and the support you can expect to get along with it. This will help you make an educated decision.

[Race Precision Motorsport]

We've driven, installed, and support both ESS and VF kits. From our feedback from customers, owners of both are very happy. Both systems have their positives and negatives hardware and design-wise as any product/modification does.

The VF kits look and feel heavy-duty with a thicker bracket and one piece manifold. The ESS kits do have a thinner bracket and welded manifold, but they obviously get the job done seeing the results of both kits from recent dyno-days: http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?p=15318784

We wanted a conservative, daily-drivable kit and decided on the new VF595 for our wolf in sheep's clothing. The kit feels durable and it puts an ease of mind knowing that the kit is over-engineered and ready to upgrade. Also, VF is somewhat local to us and support is direct and prompt.

Being in Tel-Aviv, it seems a big deciding factor could be your direct, personal connection to the manufacturer.

[SflBimmer8484]

Originally Posted by euro*

you should consider AA

Thanks!

1/4 mile runs are fun and all but lets not forget about the endurance racers.

One of our customers will entering the the 5,000 mile One lap of america race trying to win our 7th straight 1st in class trophy.

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=839875



We will also be rolling out our new supercharger retail prices for 2014 in the next few days. I really think you guys are going to like these competitive prices so stay tuned.

[Orange fever]

here we go again another thread. This kit, that kit : key word do research what you can afford, maintenance, reliability, and a lot fun ///
I had a vf kit on e46m and e90m and now a vf tune on the X5M

[info@trinityautosport]

no problems and running strong with the VF620 kit on our interlagos blue M3. dyno is the 2nd one listed on this post: http://www.m3post.com/forums/showpos...63&postcount=2

[Verify]

Originally Posted by Orange fever

here we go again another thread. This kit, that kit : key word do research what you can afford, maintenance, reliability, and a lot fun ///
I had a vf kit on e46m and e90m and now a vf tune on the X5M

This one has remained rather civil;Im enjoying watching it develop

[M3816]

I am a long time Active supercharger owner. The rotrex supercharger runs cooler than the vortech and the power delivery is more useable as it makes better power throughout the entire rpm. I am a bmw fanatic so I admire the oem design with smooth and oem like trumpets in their manifold. I am sure that cost them a pretty penny in design.
These all sound promising, but I have been in customer service issue more than once with the active team ( I have owned 3 kits) and I was taken care of time and time again. The price was a bit more than some of the other kits, but if you are supercharging $400-500 bucks should be the last of your concern. There is a lot more products provided with their kit so you get what you pay for. You will love the boost it will really wake up the car.

[tom @ eas]

Originally Posted by SickeM3

He's not the only one AA with a rotrex is another great option. Have to insist on air to air as mandatory.

Straight-line performance is cool, but the M was meant to be turning, and is awesome daily driver, more tq is a big seller, consistent performance is paramount

Don't usually drag race, just took the opportunity when it arrived. We're much more into the track:



Here's a quick pic our previous M3 project @ European Car GP @ SOW. Equipped with a ESS VT2-625 Supercharger system and can easily take 20+ minute sessions in summer heat without a hiccup.

More info on this build can be seen in the April issue of European Car.

[BobS]

OP if your in love with the tq... Keep your 335. The s65 wont give you the same feeling of instant tq but it does have a very addictive power band IMO, much more rewarding and fun to drive over the n54. I came from a FBO cobb protuned n54 335.

I'm awaiting my SC now and went with the evolve kit. It has nice tq and retains the high revving s65 power band, kinda the best of both worlds IMO.

Good luck with whatever you decide to go with

[MilehighM3]

Originally Posted by euro*

you should consider AA

+1 best appearance, hardware and attention to detail on the market currently, IMO. They manage the heat well which is key and their kit has been on the market a long time. Just because the forum is predominantly ESS fans doesn't make their kit the best option.
I've yet to see an Evolve kit in person but the rotrex unit doss seem well suited for the S65 and a dd configuration.
OP, don't forget about G Power. Although cost seems to be a consideration, and a valid one at that.

[Imran@Evolve]

If you haven't already you should check out the test carried out by Performance BMW Magazine where our E600 Kit was compared against the new M6 and other tuned BMW's. (Actual magazine article at the bottom of the link)

Evolve Supercharged M3 vs New M6 and Others

You can also check out more details and pictures on our M3 Specific website Evolve E9X M3 Website

[Ezio]

i think its pretty dumb to say one is better than the other. stick with big name shops and kits. if i was doing a blower i would go VF just because i like the style better.

[tom @ eas]

Originally Posted by Ezio

i think its pretty dumb to say one is better than the other. stick with big name shops and kits. if i was doing a blower i would go VF just because i like the style better.

There's more to a supercharger system than just looks. Reliability, quality and customer service (before and after sale) are very important factors.

Best to find a local meet or dyno day and see if someone that already owns a system can take you for a ride. Real world experience counts, much too often these types of threads turn into a popularity contest with opinions given to justify one's purchase without even experiencing other kits on the market.

[Sales@Evolve]

Originally Posted by tom @ eas

There's more to a supercharger system than just looks. Reliability, quality and customer service (before and after sale) are very important factors.

Best to find a local meet or dyno day and see if someone that already owns a system can take you for a ride. Real world experience counts, much too often these types of threads turn into a popularity contest with opinions given to justify one's purchase without even experiencing other kits on the market.

Well said.

[Mit_Boost]

Originally Posted by Ezio

i think its pretty dumb to say one is better than the other. stick with big name shops and kits. if i was doing a blower i would go VF just because i like the style better.

That's probably the worst criteria to base a $12-15k performance mod investment on, especially when you're going to install it on a car that originally retailed for ~$70k.

[Ezio]

Originally Posted by Mit_Boost

That's probably the worst criteria to base a $12-15k performance mod investment on, especially when you're going to install it on a car that originally retailed for ~$70k.

its really not though. i believe in terms of power, reliability, tune ability ETC

ESS and VF are pretty even. and you will have great results from either. just like any proven setup.

i like VF more for this reason right here. as i quote from a vendor above.

Originally Posted by Race Precision Motorsport

The VF kits look and feel heavy-duty with a thicker bracket and one piece manifold. The ESS kits do have a thinner bracket and welded manifold, but they obviously get the job done seeing the results of both kits from recent dyno-days: http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?p=15318784



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[8k3]

Not necessarily the looks, but the removable heat exchanger allowing for very easy (and cheaper) upgrades.

Sal and Tom said it well, customer service is important before and after and I will verify first hand that VF has been there for me. I was even able to text their tech at night with a question.

All three companies make a great kit, make no mistake about it.

[Mit_Boost]

Originally Posted by Ezio

its really not though. i believe in terms of power, reliability, tune ability ETC

ESS and VF are pretty even. and you will have great results from either. just like any proven setup.

i like VF more for this reason right here. as i quote from a vendor above.

Quality of Parts, Tuning, Customer Service, Reliability > Physical Appearance


You originally said you like the VF more b/c of it's "style is better".

[Ezio]

Originally Posted by Mit_Boost

Quality of Parts, Tuning, Customer Service, Reliability > Physical Appearance


You originally said you like the VF more b/c of it's "style is better".

Ya see how that was kind of confusing

[Verify]

Originally Posted by tom @ eas

Don't usually drag race, just took the opportunity when it arrived. We're much more into the track:



Here's a quick pic our previous M3 project @ European Car GP @ SOW. Equipped with a ESS VT2-625 Supercharger system and can easily take 20+ minute sessions in summer heat without a hiccup.

More info on this build can be seen in the April issue of European Car.

Unusual, cant see the heat exchanger or air intake on that car..

And AA's success in 1LoA vs competition would paint a different story