50 whp possible with Bolt-ons?

CSanto · 05-06-2009, 03:28 PM

No cat deletes also, but race cats are fine.

Is this possible?
If so what mods are my best bet?

I have an Eisenmann sport, but I don't think that will get in the way of my goals since axle-backs normally produce squat.

niqui · 05-06-2009, 03:30 PM

i think its quite attainable. though when u combine bolt-ons you don't necessarily just sum-up their individual gains...
some ideas to help
-ms filter
-aa pulleys
-aa ecu
-high-flow cats...x-pipe ?
-exhaust you've got

GT3 Tim · 05-06-2009, 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by niqui

i think its quite attainable. though when u combine bolt-ons you don't necessarily just sum-up their individual gains...
some ideas to help
-ms filter
-aa pulleys
-aa ecu
-high-flow cats...x-pipe ?
-exhaust you've got

All of that may do it, but I dunno.

You could also just up with some 100 octane. PG showed that to be worth about 30hp by itself. But then again, 100 octane out here is $7.99/gallon. lol

SV Concepts · 05-06-2009, 03:52 PM

Yeah I think it's possible with the software

askiles · 05-06-2009, 04:11 PM

A supercharger just bolts on, right...

-Andy

CSanto · 05-06-2009, 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by askiles

A supercharger just bolts on, right...

-Andy

LoL yeah... I guess it does haha.

Sales@Gintani.com · 05-06-2009, 05:02 PM

Heres what we can do with a Bolt on kit. Heres what we have done with Brian's "Niterider" car. He has the Full Gintani exhaust system, which is Bolt-on, Gintani Pulley, Gintani/Powerchip Tune, AFE filter, and RPI scoops. This car stock made 315 whp on a dynodynamics. After the mods listed above it made 392.5. Here is dyno sheet plus a video.

GT3 Tim · 05-06-2009, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by PencilGeek

Come on guys, doesn't anybody look at the Dyno Database I set up?

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=254974

Look at Jon Martin's results in "Dyno Dynamics" section.

No, we forgot. But we will now, until we forget again. Thanks though! That database rocks!

m34jlp · 05-06-2009, 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raz@Gintani.com

Heres what we can do with a Bolt on kit. Heres what we have done with Brian's "Niterider" car. He has the Full Gintani exhaust system, which is Bolt-on, Gintani Pulley, Gintani/Powerchip Tune, AFE filter, and RPI scoops. This car stock made 315 whp on a dynodynamics. After the mods listed above it made 392.5. Here is dyno sheet plus a video.

75+ whp...thas insane for bolt-ons!!!

GT3 Tim · 05-06-2009, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by m34jlp

75+ whp...thas insane for bolt-ons!!!

Dunno about that. It seems out of line compared to others with similar mods. Comments anybody?

1MOREMOD · 05-06-2009, 05:52 PM

not buying it! i agree.

smokinjoe64 · 05-06-2009, 06:21 PM

Incremental additional mods with testing in similar conditions is the only way to prove a cumulative result. I'm not convinced it is simply cumulative due to 'mutually exclusive' claims.
Thoughts???

Sales@Gintani.com · 05-06-2009, 07:00 PM

There is nothing to lie about. We have no problem putting this car on any other local dyno to proove that the numbers are real. Also, any other dyno including dynojet, dynopack read about 18%-25% higher then a dynodynamics. This car was dynotuned.

CSanto · 05-06-2009, 07:32 PM

cat delete or HFC?
I refuse to mess around with Cat delete

niterider · 05-06-2009, 07:34 PM

This is very do-able. Me along with Jon, Drew and some other guys on here have already proven this. My car has all of the Gintani bolt ons, AFE dry filter, RPI scoops and a custom dyno tune. I have made comparison runs with 335s with basically all the bolt ons on pump gas that have dynoed higher numbers then me on dynojets. They keep up until high third gear which is where my car starts creeping away and fourth im gone. I have no cats but im sure 50whp can still be achieved with race cats. The S65 responds very well with bolt ons.

niterider · 05-06-2009, 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PencilGeek

Come on guys, doesn't anybody look at the Dyno Database I set up?

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=254974

Look at Jon Martin's results in "Dyno Dynamics" section.

+1 on this thread, it has all the numbers of people who have posted them. Great work Robert.

spyderco10 · 05-06-2009, 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GT3 Tim

All of that may do it, but I dunno.

You could also just up with some 100 octane. PG showed that to be worth about 30hp by itself. But then again, 100 octane out here is $7.99/gallon. lol

that's cheap, it's $9.50/gallon here

MrHarris · 05-07-2009, 12:33 AM

I believe the 75+whp gains with bolt-ons. On a Dyno Dynamics, that's very impressive.

GT3 Tim · 05-07-2009, 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raz@Gintani.com

There is nothing to lie about. We have no problem putting this car on any other local dyno to proove that the numbers are real. Also, any other dyno including dynojet, dynopack read about 18%-25% higher then a dynodynamics. This car was dynotuned.

Wow. What else can I say. 75 whp is damn impressive.

On my E36 M3, I was able to get 75 whp more out of it, but I had cams, OBD I intake, custom tune, etc, etc, etc, etc.

Granted, the new motor is larger, but 75 whp from just the things you did is damn impressive!

Doc · 05-07-2009, 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raz@Gintani.com

Heres what we can do with a Bolt on kit. Heres what we have done with Brian's "Niterider" car. He has the Full Gintani exhaust system, which is Bolt-on, Gintani Pulley, Gintani/Powerchip Tune, AFE filter, and RPI scoops. This car stock made 315 whp on a dynodynamics. After the mods listed above it made 392.5. Here is dyno sheet plus a video.

The vid shows 370 bhp max though..

powertrip · 05-07-2009, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Doc

The vid shows 370 bhp max though..

The video is of the base run before tuning, not the final run.

Sales@Gintani.com · 05-07-2009, 02:00 PM

Yah, the video was shot before the final tuning. We tuned the car that night.

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