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03-23-2016, 11:15 AM | #1 |
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m4's engine sits a whole 2 inches higher than the S65. Embarrassing m4 facts.
One more shame fact about the m4 that was kept hidden under the rug and that has come to light: the m4 engine sits a whole 2 inches higher than the S65 in the e92 because of the turbo design.
why would that matter ? well it matters for roll. Basically degrading stability and traction when changing heading direction. Let's take a look a the extra moment of unwanted roll force that this creates: First recap S55 (m4) engine weight : kg / lbs : 205/452 m4 extra roll moment : τ = 2 inches x F =2 / 12 feet * 205 lbs = +/- 34 lbs.ft Roll is impacted. This means loading the outside wheels more in turns and further explains why the m4 looses its rear too easily, it's not just the engine torque it's the engine adding its weight 2 inches more above center of gravity. The E92 M3 is superior in that regard. If you look at F1 cars all the weight sit extremely low above ground for the same reason. Last edited by Rajmun340; 03-23-2016 at 12:04 PM.. |
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Of course if just comparing lap times then yes the m4 is faster due to forced induction, but the twin turbo that gives that advantages comes with significant drawbacks that IMO are not worth the compromise. The E92 m3 is the better driver's performance car for control, and that elevated m4 engine center of gravity is yet another drawback in the list. Last edited by Rajmun340; 11-08-2017 at 10:54 AM.. |
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The torque make the rear come out more easily but when driving at high speed and for example quickly overtaking another car the last thing you want is that the rear comes out, likely to result in crashing both cars. in that situation it's not just the torque, that extra body roll is unwanted ! Last edited by Rajmun340; 11-08-2017 at 10:55 AM.. |
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03-23-2016, 12:18 PM | #7 |
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Guys, hey its not a competitor! It's all one breed!
Dont make yourself such a head about facts like these... An ///M will always stay an ///M no matter how high or low or sleak or wide or heavy or light, you ever get it. The E9x and the F8x... none of them is better or worster then the other. As for me...I love these M4's! Why? It's an ///M, an ///M, baby! |
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I recently returned my E92 M3 after a 39 month lease and test drove the M4 as well. While I have not yet purchased the M4, I have to say I was extremely impressed with the car. It definitely does not have the same sound as the E92, but with the decreased weight and extra torque, it was still mesmerizing to drive. The interior is a huge step up over the E92 and in addition to the performance, it actually looks like a 80k car now too.
Personally, these attacks on the M4 are stupid as shit IMHO. No one with the intent of purchasing an M4 will be convinced to do otherwise and those that believe that the E92 is the greatest M3 of all time will still think so after. So whats the point of all these debates? HUGE waste of time as the M4 literally beats the E92 in almost every single performance category. Do I miss the V8 and wish they threw turbos onto that instead? Yeah I do, but after driving one at high speeds (Been with my dealer for 10+ years so they let me do whatever) and seeing first hand how the car is, I am definitely interested in staying with M family.
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i like both cars. they are just different tools for different jobs. I prefer the e92 but that isnt at the expense of affection for the f8x. I will just own and drive the one I personally want.
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The first couple days of the "appreciate" feature on M3post they had included a negative value button. People had too much fun with that and some of us had a rating below -150 in a matter of hours. It was quickly revised to be all positive. So now we tell each other how much we suck but can't do it numerically.
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How about just own one of each and be done with it!
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both are great cars this was a interesting read. I had the opportunity to run a M4 off the line, i got the jump when the light turned green. He stayed with me, but couldn't over take me. Must of been the throttle response...
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No one points out the fact that E92 owners' penises are a whole 2 inches shorter than F80 owners'.
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E92 m3 .. bcuz race car! amirite guise?
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