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08-01-2012, 05:56 AM | #1 |
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anyone else think the m leans too much?
getting through corners is killing me. guess im not a fan of SIFO. lol.
is anyone else struggling with keeping the car flat and not feeling like a lot of speed is lost from so much unsettling through the twisties? i guess its a twofold question around my driving and the suspension. ill post some vids soon, and am curious if there is a good solution from an upgrade standpoint. Thanks.. |
08-01-2012, 07:01 AM | #3 |
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You would need bigger anti-roll bars. I have the M3 ARBs and while the car feels balanced, body roll is still quite pronounced on sharp corners.
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In stock form and no EDC, I don't think that body roll is too much of an issue. The car is VERY capable and neutral. If anything, I think the E9X is a drift maniac!
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08-01-2012, 07:40 AM | #5 |
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You've gotta be running comfort mode or be used to racecars if you think it has a lot of body roll. My M3 on sport EDC had less body roll than my Cayman S and many many other sports cars. Now, on coilovers, it has even less. With KW clubsports as my only handling mod (stock sways etc.) my car now has less body roll than my old E36 racecar did, which ran 1000# springs and weighed 2500.
In sum, the M3 has incredibly low body roll. |
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08-01-2012, 08:19 AM | #6 |
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M3 ARBs are fitted as standard on the M3.
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lol I guessed that
I was implying that M3 ARB may be a little too soft.
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Believe me the car rolls very little as evidenced by my tire wear on this car with stock camber settings compared to my 08 which rolled a lot more.The NT05's do not seem to require a lot of camber to work properly on track.
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On stock, 2008 non-EDC suspension -- yes, at least from a "feel" standpoint I was not a fan. I can't say that it was necessarily lacking grip, but I disliked the boat-like swaying.
Upgraded to coilovers and much happier.
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No, my car is well balanced and sits fairly flat. I run stock suspension, EDC both on and off and I do not feel the car rolls too much with either setting.
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Standard KW CS rates: 800 rear/514 front. It really doesn't feel that punishing to me except over large bumps on the street, and the handling improvement is worth it. It is compatible with EDC, I have the EDC version, but you don't have EDC functionality. Basically you get no error codes etc., but you can't adjust damping on the fly. Not that you need to, they rock at the recommended rebound and compression settings.
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Unless I am missing something, OP does not have a ZCP M3 so why are people using that to say that everything is fine? It would appear that helpful feedback for the OP would consist of how people feel about a NON-ZCP M3 and what they did to improve (if anything).
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And I consider myself to be very picky about suspensions and handling, these cars seriously have lower body roll than almost every performance car out there. Regarding modding it up: some people have said sway bars, I said coilovers. IMO, if you think the stock setup has lots of body roll you need some very stiff dampers/springs. |
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I thought the EDC actually stiffened the outside dampers depending on the road condition...regardless of the current firmness selection. If one doesn't have this option, the dampers will not stiffen when you go around a bend and will probably roll more.
I found that Eibach springs made a big difference to body roll even with EDC. BTW I have driven with leo and he pushes the car around. If anyone is going to find a problem with body roll, it is probably going to be leo! From BMWUSA Quote:
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@Lim3y: I think that you are correct in how EDC works (you did cite BMW after all), but the car has more body roll in comfort than sport, for whatever reason.
OP: some body roll won't really slow you down, and can actually help you feel the car's limits. The amount the M3 has is small. That being said, if you are unhappy with the stock handling dynamics I recommend KW clubsports, JRZ's, or Moton's. And more track time (duh). |
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08-01-2012, 03:48 PM | #22 |
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One of the biggest mistakes in driving is people focus on how the car reacts to THEM, not how the you react to the CAR. Try slowing down the hands, have better control of brake release, be smoother on the throttle. Usually rough combinations of those three things, brakes-steering-throttle, leads to weight being unnecessarily thrown around. Think of those three things as shifting weight.
With that said, I have a decent amount of seat time in M3's. I agree they do initially feel slightly big, wobbly and understeery. Settle it down though and it is very capable.
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