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      04-07-2020, 03:47 PM   #1
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In a perfect world. The G9x series M3/4

Sometimes I lay down to go to sleep and dream about what could be, but never will.
Imagine, just for a second, that BMW took the S65 that we all love, bumped it to 4.4L, paired it to one or two small electric motors, dropped it in a modern chassis, gave it hydraulic steering and on demand AWD....
The sound...
The acceleration...
The dream...

But alas my NA loving friends, it's just a dream.
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Don't waste your time thinking about BMW ever doing anything like that.
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      04-07-2020, 04:38 PM   #3
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0 interest in the upcoming G series M, I know it because none of the new M cars seem to excite me so far...the M5, X5M, M8

i imagine keeping my S65 + 6MT well and healthy, and blast it through the roads in the yrs to come when surrounded by electric motor, transmission-less sports cars. By that time a minivan will be equally torquey and fast as an electric sports car, but damn none of them will carry any soul.

I was doing carwash today and listening to Chris Harris & Matt Farah podcast, interesting how they drove the Taycan and new cars but Chris fails to even recall what kind of hypercar he drove recently, and they keep talking about their recent interest in getting the old M cars and 80s~90s porsche and ferrari with manual where you can actually control & feel the car without any aids (traction control), because even these turbo "sports" cars nowadays is quote "Undrivable" without any aids (Traction control, launch bs etc...)
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      04-07-2020, 08:51 PM   #5
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Just like today we see some old guys driving old cars, in 20 years, we will see some old guys driving some old cars. Imagine yourself based on what you see. I have been around long enough to know that ďIíll drive it foreverĒ is unrealistic.
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Iím not sure how long this love affair will last with this car. Itís such a joy right now. Will I keep it forever, probably not but Iíll remember how fun this platform is forever.

Who knows whatís next for me but that isnít important now. Iíll bet the new M will be badass. The current ones are great too. I just appreciate being in the golden age of performance. 400 plus HP is standard now.
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People who only knew riding horseback long ago probably said the Model T had no soul...
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Better start saving for a Ferrari Stradale..
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We have a 73 Bavaria and a 74 2002. They have so much soul that I have little interest in driving them. They are fun for the looks you get but a chore to drive. An hour here and there is OK but itís too much work to maintain an old car so it is ready to use for an hour here and there.
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Sometimes I lay down to go to sleep and dream about what could be, but never will.
Imagine, just for a second, that BMW took the S65 that we all love, bumped it to 4.4L, paired it to one or two small electric motors, dropped it in a modern chassis, gave it hydraulic steering and on demand AWD....
The sound...
The acceleration...
The dream...

But alas my NA loving friends, it's just a dream.

It seems like you are joining an awesome thing, the S65B44, and joining it with two smouldering turds: AWD and electrification.

That dream M3 would weigh 3900lb-4000lb and, other than meaningless 0-60 times, would be useless at the track


My dream M3 would use i8 carbon tech with a S65B46 engine, choices of DCT and manual
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Sometimes I lay down to go to sleep and dream about what could be, but never will.
Imagine, just for a second, that BMW took the S65 that we all love, bumped it to 4.4L, paired it to one or two small electric motors, dropped it in a modern chassis, gave it hydraulic steering and on demand AWD....
The sound...
The acceleration...
The dream...

But alas my NA loving friends, it's just a dream.
That's way too much. My dream is something much simpler. That BMW imported the e92 M3 GTS to the US---with a manual, of course. That's the perfect M3 for me. I don't have an issue with the stiffness of the e9x chassis and don't need AWD for my sporty car. Unfortunately, it looks like I'll need to move to a Porsche to get what I'm after.
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      04-12-2020, 05:57 AM   #12
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Sometimes I lay down to go to sleep and dream about what could be, but never will.
Imagine, just for a second, that BMW took the S65 that we all love, bumped it to 4.4L, paired it to one or two small electric motors, dropped it in a modern chassis, gave it hydraulic steering and on demand AWD....
The sound...
The acceleration...
The dream...

But alas my NA loving friends, it's just a dream.
S65 belongs all by itself to be the star of the show in a less complicated package to sing it's song. I see this engine best in a lighter and less complex package.
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Sometimes I lay down to go to sleep and dream about what could be, but never will.
Imagine, just for a second, that BMW took the S65 that we all love, bumped it to 4.4L, paired it to one or two small electric motors, dropped it in a modern chassis, gave it hydraulic steering and on demand AWD....
The sound...
The acceleration...
The dream...

But alas my NA loving friends, it's just a dream.

It seems like you are joining an awesome thing, the S65B44, and joining it with two smouldering turds: AWD and electrification.

That dream M3 would weigh 3900lb-4000lb and, other than meaningless 0-60 times, would be useless at the track


My dream M3 would use i8 carbon tech with a S65B46 engine, choices of DCT and manual
I have to agree that an electrically assisted S65 powering an AWD drivetrain isn't optimal. The power band wouldn't be suited to AWD, and electric motors would kill its character imo. There are already performance hybrids available with AWD and massive torque. The E92 m3 is special precisely because it's not that. The only other car in the e92 m3 price range that came close is the GT350. Even then the power band is similar, but the voodoo engine design is somewhat different and the refinement in the car itself is not the same.
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Do you guys see in 10~15 years a company like Singer will retro-mod these cars with top quality parts? CF body, custom interior, rebuilt engine..etc. That would be pretty cool.
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      04-14-2020, 02:10 PM   #15
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do you guys see in 10~15 years a company like singer will retro-mod these cars with top quality parts? Cf body, custom interior, rebuilt engine..etc. That would be pretty cool.
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      04-15-2020, 08:58 AM   #16
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I have to agree that an electrically assisted S65 powering an AWD drivetrain isn't optimal. The power band wouldn't be suited to AWD, and electric motors would kill its character imo. There are already performance hybrids available with AWD and massive torque. The E92 m3 is special precisely because it's not that. The only other car in the e92 m3 price range that came close is the GT350. Even then the power band is similar, but the voodoo engine design is somewhat different and the refinement in the car itself is not the same.
I think the more likely thing to happen is an NA motor augmented by electric motors that are powering only the front wheels. As motors move to in-hub designs, this will happen.

Ferrari is doing this with the new SF90 - this provides torque vectoring at all 4 wheels. That thing will be a monster on track.
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Do you guys see in 10~15 years a company like Singer will retro-mod these cars with top quality parts? CF body, custom interior, rebuilt engine..etc. That would be pretty cool.
Maybe. That's my rich guy fantasy right now. Have the time and money to take old BMW M cars and do basically a Singer version of them.
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