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Even if these are the only problems they indicate a system not quite up to par for the way folks actually use the car (track and street). IMO there is no excuse for this. I have been very loyal defending BMW brakes which are in general quite good. I have also spoken out time and time against pretty bright red multi-piston calipers. However, in this case the evidence is really stacking up. How many folks have had fade, boil, pad transfer, etc.?
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New discs and pads all round for free today after 7500 miles.
Cant complain, if she needs uprated brakes at some stage so be it. Otherwise I'll have new OEMs after each track day for nowt.
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I take it you experience the other day at Croft didn't do your brakes any favours. I told you to take it easy and give them only a few laps at a time. Good news they were replaced under warranty. |
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09-24-2008, 05:22 PM | #26 |
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On the 335i, stock pads held up a bit better, probably b/c of less weight & power. I would expect a bit more stock M3.
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Hmm, lemme get this straight footie. V8 M3, 414bhp, rwd, Croft Circuit, and take it easy. Nope, lost me I'm afraid. Obviously werent trying hard enough
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Hell, even the rear caliper on the 135 is a two piston set-up versus the M3! What's up with that? I thought the M division was to offer the best that BMW had to offer! |
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Yeh, there two things that upset me with BMW's and I have owned several dozen, Brakes look s**thouse and there mufflers always hang down and look rusty & dirty.
After owning 3 different X5's (Diesel turbos and now the final one a twin turbo) they finally put chrome tips on. I mean the first one they were hidden behind rear skirt, second one just metal pipes and finally the last one has chrome tips and that's on there executive models. There 325's were the same. I think the problem lies in that these two sections at BMW that handle brakes & exhaust is run by old f**ts that have not reached retirement age. I mean its embarasing. Here we are with high end cars and there rivals Merc & Audi must be laughing I mean you can buy a low entry Toyota and get chrome tips and better looking brakes. You know BMW you can have good ugly brakes or you can have good looking good brakes. BMW are you listening, get your head out of your a**e and listen to your clients, we buy the cars you don't. Next car AMG again I think, protest vote, hit them where it hurts, there pockets.
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And for that price you should get what I said in my previous post. I don'y care what you pay for your car its what I paid for it and for $210,000 I can hop on a plane come to your house, steal your brakes and put them I my car. I have about $750,000 worth of cars in my garage and the BMW is the only one with s**ty looking brakes and exhaust. And tell me what better model in the range comes with these brakes, the 135? I have better brakes on my 1974 FJ40.
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Second, you said get a better model in the range with better brakes, again you tell me what model has 4 or 6 piston good looking brakes compared to a AMG brake. There's none, so I actually have to down grade to a one series to get a half decent caliper. And if you read my thread properly I stated that you lived in Australia, but it looks like your eyes are faster than your brain. So as I said BMW needs to do better in there brake dept and offer options in there luxury car & M class where braking is a concern. And for your info my X5 e70 TT diesel has as standard a larger rotors than is on the V8 X5 and it's got s**t looking calipers as well. The M3 should have better brakes, its a performance car, and people are not happy.
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Almost no one here cares how many cars nor how many BMWs you do/have owned. We don't care how much you paid for them either. This type of attitude will not get you any respect at all. Don't you realize how much of a shallow braggart you sound like from such posts? I can read between the lines to hear you are concerned about performance but you really seem obsessed by looks over performance. As much as I am convinced that the brakes are a bit of a weak spot on the new M3 you need to learn and accept that bright colored paint, nice looking calipers and multiple pistons have almost NOTHING to do with actual solid brake performance. |
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This is simply a classic case of THE body of evidence vs. MY personal body of evidence. No one has ever complained about the M3s brakes on the street. Many have complained about various problems on the track. I have not yet had the time for any track time hence I have no personal experience. Surely this does not mean I don't acknowledge that others have legitimate complaints. I can now look forward to this weakness myself once on the track.
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It boils down to options, your sports car, track car, M car or AMG car, its comes down to options.
AMG gives you sports options, and there are alot that the Merc dealer does not sell but you can buy them from AMG Germany direct as I have done it the past. If you look at brake options, you have them for Mercs, Porsche, Ferrari, etc. Whether you track your car or not, or the manufacturer say we don't need better brakes, most of the others give you an option. BMW don't give you any (they do now on the 1series). If they were worried they would not fit under 18" that's fine, so you buy a brake upgrade plus 19". AMG standard wheels are 18" with 6 pot fronts & 4 pot rears. I don't mind if I have to pay for them but as least give us a reasonable option. We get options like manual to DTC, coupe, vert, sedan, paint, wheels, interior options, audio, CF roof, sunroof the list goes on but no brake upgrade. BMW could probably pull another $500.00 profit out every car they sold if they had that option. I thought dealers loved selling you the option becasue they could make a large profit out of accessories?. Here's a new poll to start:- Would you buy a BMW Caliper upgrade for your M3 for $2000 ( what would a caliper upgarde cost at production time, $250 per wheel BMW cost) Red, Yellow, Silver or Black
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Noisey, yes. Like a school bus, mostly under light braking. I ran Pagid RS19's on my GT3 all the time. On the street, initial bite was not as good as stock pads, but very managable and safe still, IMHO. On the street, they are quite noisey under lighter braking, like a school bus or garbage truck. BFD! On the track they are fricken boat anchors (and quiet). Once you get them up to operating temp, they are phenominal. They are also fairly low dusting and friendly to the rotors, and they last a LONG LONG time. After years of goofing around with different pads and compounds, I am sold on the RS19's. The trade off is noisey street braking. BFD. I actually think it is funny squealing up to a stop and having people look at me like "WTF? Fix your brakes moron". lol Where I live, it basically never get much below freezing. Typical temps in the morning may be 28-40 in the winter. I found the pads to be just fine in these conditions. You just have to take it a bit easy for the first few stops. It simply requires a bit more pedal effort when they are that cold. Still totally safe IMHO.
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