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View Poll Results: Will Donald Trump be Impeached or will this blowback on Biden
Orange Trump bad. Trump gone. 81 31.89%
Trump Trump-umphant. 87 34.25%
Inclusive 18 7.09%
Biden C4'd to oblivion. 74 29.13%
Biden grows in strength and gets shot in the arm for nomination. 10 3.94%
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      01-17-2020, 04:13 PM   #5611
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I believe that the witnesses in the Clinton trial were actually just recorded statements from another location, no?

I know they call them witnesses, but in reality they were really just additional statements taken offsite from the trial.

Overall though, I don't know of anyone that is saying "no witnesses" - just that some are saying "let's wait and see before making that decision". I believe that there will be additional witnesses called as I think the public wants it and several Republican senators want it too. I have no problem with this - the more transparency the better.

In reality though - I don't think any will drop a 'bombshell' testimony that we've not heard before. Nothing exciting will happen is my prediction.
Witnesses can be deposed before hand and not appear in court, or they can apear in court.

the accused, Trump in this case, is to appear before the senate and enter his plea, as well as is given an opportunity to refute claims/evidence against them.

As for being able to call for witnesses, that is entirely up to the senate. by the book, the senate is to take the evidence gathered and presented by the impeachment managers, including witness testimony, and make a ruling based on that. If the senate feels the house did a piss poor job of investigating, which they very clearly did in this case, they can decide to reopen the investigation process, or kick it out entirely and make the house do their actual job in the process at a later time.
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      01-17-2020, 04:14 PM   #5612
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Democrats want the actual same rules that were established for the Clinton trial. Clinton himself testified for 4 hours in front of a grand jury.
the accused is to enter a plea and has the opportunity to testify regardless if new witnesses are called.
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Trump wouldn't last 4 minutes in front of a grand jury.
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Tend to agree and everything will be done to prevent that...
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Democrats want the actual same rules that were established for the Clinton trial. Clinton himself testified for 4 hours in front of a grand jury.
Clinton's grand jury testimony was not part of the impeachment, instead it was the CAUSE of his impeachment. The grand jury had been impaneled as part of a federal civil rights investigation. During that testimony he committed perjury, suborned perjury, lied to officials that he knew would repeat those lies during testimony, tampered with evidence and obstructed justice by attempting to remove a witness from the jurisdiction of the grand jury.
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In my opinion, witnesses must be called in order to avoid a huge backlash from the electorate. Over 70% (from what I've read) of the voting population wants a representative actual trial so they can determine guilt or innocence.
I agree with this: witnesses must be called or we'll never hear the end of it, literally. Reciprocity is essential and not negotiable and should start with Adam Schiff's staff.
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I am sure that no one on this board has ever lied about having sex before.
I wouldn't know quick, but at any rate it's irrelevant because he was not impeached because of "sex".
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Ia this sham of an impeachment not over with yet?

The left should focus on how to best trump and keep biden from sticking his foot in his mouth.

Can't wait for Bernie to see get shafted again by the DNC. Go Warren!

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I am sure that no one on this board has ever lied about having sex before.
I wouldn't know quick, but at any rate it's irrelevant because he was not impeached because of "sex".
He's impeached for extortion, using US taxpayer money to have a foreign country "announce" an investigation into a political rival.
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He's impeached for extortion, using US taxpayer money to have a foreign country "announce" an investigation into a political rival.
Funny, I thought the charges were abuse of power and obstruction of congress. Source?
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Only if someone's farted...
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I am sure that no one on this board has ever lied about having sex before.
I wouldn't know quick, but at any rate it's irrelevant because he was not impeached because of "sex".
He's impeached for extortion, using US taxpayer money to have a foreign country "announce" an investigation into a political rival.
I was referring to Clinton, as was quick. please reread his post.
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Is that what is called gaslighting?
New term: fakelighting
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